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Gemini 4 Argon

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  1. taylorfinley · · focus · HN ↗
    Ten days ago I had an experience with Gemini 3.8 flash that made me wonder if I was being routed to a different model under test. I was trying to use rocm with llama.cpp on my 128gb Strix Halo but could only get it to run Vulkan. I pasted the error message into agy and it proceeded to attach GDB to my GPU driver, reverse-engineer the kernel queue ioctl interface, and author an LD_PRELOAD C shim to get ROCm llama.cpp working on my Strix Halo. My jaw was hanging open the whole time.

    Edit to add the fix: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;birep&#x2F;6f2c8d490c7a29820997d57bd654c351" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;birep&#x2F;6f2c8d490c7a29820997d57bd654c3...

    1. spankalee · · focus · HN ↗
      3.8 Flash is just quite good, and so is the Antigravity harness.

      I use a mix of Fable 5.1, Opus 5.5, and Gemini 3.8 Flash and Gemini holds it&#x27;s own. Especially in writing, frontend, and sysadmin work. agy for configuring a NixOS system has been truly incredible.

      1. mapontosevenths · · focus · HN ↗
        Even if agy was the best (it&#x27;s not, and is missing basic features) you wouldn&#x27;t rather have a choice?

        I cancelled Ultra because they forced me into their harness like I should adapt to them, rather than the other way around.

        1. drusepth · · focus · HN ↗
          What basic features are missing from agy? I&#x27;ve been using it and cli-cc + web-cc for months (among a few other random harnesses to test here and there) and they all seem roughly comparable to me.

          I actually just cancelled Ultra also because I couldn&#x27;t subscribe to a YouTube Family plan while I had it active (Google... :[) but trying to use Codex as a replacement while I testdrive Astra makes me yearn for agy again.

          1. dleslie · · focus · HN ↗
            Emacs integration over ACP.

            They&#x27;ve got Zed, VSCode, Jetbrains... But no Emacs or NeoVIM

            1. p_l · · focus · HN ↗
              agent-shell works with antigravity but I haven&#x27;t tested it much yet
              1. dleslie · · focus · HN ↗
                It works but it&#x27;s a violation of the TOS to use it.

                I would rather not risk my Google account.

                1. p_l · · focus · HN ↗
                  It&#x27;s not - it uses the same interface as editor extensions like the one for VScode.

                  It does mean however that it cannot operate as flexibly as it it could with raw API, IMO, but agent-shell is essentially designed towards wrapping the official clients

                  1. dleslie · · focus · HN ↗
                    They removed the ACP command line flag that was in the old Gemini client. That&#x27;s a signal that they won&#x27;t support it.

                    While it may be technically allowed, I&#x27;m not about to risk my account. Google has proven themselves to be capricious and arbitrary when it comes to TOS enforcement, and their appeals system doesn&#x27;t meaningfully exist in practice.

                    1. p_l · · focus · HN ↗
                      I am not talking about ACP command flag - there is a separate binary that exists for integration into editors, and it&#x27;s how VScode extension works. So it&#x27;s the same usage pattern underneath
                      1. dleslie · · focus · HN ↗
                        I don&#x27;t see a download link for that:

                        <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;antigravity.google&#x2F;docs&#x2F;ide&#x2F;extensions&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;antigravity.google&#x2F;docs&#x2F;ide&#x2F;extensions&#x2F;

                        What I see is integrations for specific editors.

                        1. p_l · · focus · HN ↗
                          Agent-shell uses ACP server published through ACP registry here [1] - those are AFAIK used by editor extensions as backend since VScode can&#x27;t exactly run Go-based extensions - Zed instructions explicitly talk about using ACP Registry too [2]

                          [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;agentclientprotocol&#x2F;registry&#x2F;blob&#x2F;main&#x2F;antigravity-acp%2Fagent.json" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;agentclientprotocol&#x2F;registry&#x2F;blob&#x2F;main&#x2F;an...

                          [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;antigravity.google&#x2F;docs&#x2F;ide&#x2F;extensions&#x2F;zed" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;antigravity.google&#x2F;docs&#x2F;ide&#x2F;extensions&#x2F;zed

                          1. dleslie · · focus · HN ↗
                            They should really make this clear on their website.

                            But thank you, it appears there is an official and generic ACP client.

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