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Gemini 4 Argon

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  1. taylorfinley · · focus · HN ↗
    Ten days ago I had an experience with Gemini 3.8 flash that made me wonder if I was being routed to a different model under test. I was trying to use rocm with llama.cpp on my 128gb Strix Halo but could only get it to run Vulkan. I pasted the error message into agy and it proceeded to attach GDB to my GPU driver, reverse-engineer the kernel queue ioctl interface, and author an LD_PRELOAD C shim to get ROCm llama.cpp working on my Strix Halo. My jaw was hanging open the whole time.

    Edit to add the fix: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;birep&#x2F;6f2c8d490c7a29820997d57bd654c351" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;birep&#x2F;6f2c8d490c7a29820997d57bd654c3...

    1. gottorf · · focus · HN ↗
      My experience with Gemini 3.8 Flash has been awful; it gives me the most hallucinations out of the major models. I&#x27;m not using it for coding, but general research on different topics.
      1. WarmWash · · focus · HN ↗
        The achilles heel of 3.8 flash is it&#x27;s january 2025 knowledge cutoff date. Yes, almost 2 years ago.

        I&#x27;m assuming that Argon has at least a June 2026 date, but man, the 3 series models were a mess with newer information.

        1. blinding-streak · · focus · HN ↗
          Incorrect (to some degree)

          &gt; The knowledge cutoff date for Gemini 3.8 Flash is March 2026

          <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deepmind.google&#x2F;models&#x2F;model-cards&#x2F;gemini-3-8-flash&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deepmind.google&#x2F;models&#x2F;model-cards&#x2F;gemini-3-8-flash&#x2F;

          1. WarmWash · · focus · HN ↗
            &gt;The knowledge cutoff date for Gemini 3.8 Flash is March 2026 – users can expect updated information for some domains while in others they may experience the model’s knowledge is limited to January 2025 (in line with the Gemini 3 Model Family). For more information about known limitations, see the Gemini 3.7 Flash

            The &quot;some domains&quot; are very narrow. They likely just RL&#x27;ed popular queries.

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