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Gemini 4 Argon

1699 points · 1187 comments · bradleyg223

taylorfinley · 1790799418 · focus · HN ↗
Ten days ago I had an experience with Gemini 3.8 flash that made me wonder if I was being routed to a different model under test. I was trying to use rocm with llama.cpp on my 128gb Strix Halo but could only get it to run Vulkan. I pasted the error message into agy and it proceeded to attach GDB to my GPU driver, reverse-engineer the kernel queue ioctl interface, and author an LD_PRELOAD C shim to get ROCm llama.cpp working on my Strix Halo. My jaw was hanging open the whole time.
Edit to add the fix: <a href="https://gist.github.com/birep/6f2c8d490c7a29820997d57bd654c351" rel="nofollow">https://gist.github.com/birep/6f2c8d490c7a29820997d57bd654c3...
1. alightsoul · 1790800007 · focus · HN ↗
  Please tell me you published your findings even as an issue on the llama.cpp GitHub
  1. warkdarrior · 1790800665 · focus · HN ↗
    Why? Anyone can run that prompt.
    aspect0545 · 1790800906 · focus · HN ↗
    Not everybody has access to AI. More than that, every prompt uses insane amounts of natural resources. So why not share it.
    FranzFerdiNaN · 1790801384 · focus · HN ↗
    The resources per prompt aren’t that much .
    Also I hope you don’t have children, eat meat, travel, have a car, run AC, buy things in other countries and such. Those things all take way way way more natural resources.
    hexfish · 1790802148 · focus · HN ↗
    Checkmate. /s
    qmr · 1790802473 · focus · HN ↗
    Yet you participate in a society.
    scarmig · 1790803262 · focus · HN ↗
    If action X takes a million times more resources than action Y, it's silly to focus on or highlight action Y. Seriously: if you are a regular meat eater, your choices use several orders of magnitude more water than even a heavy LLM user. A quip from a comic doesn't somehow erase that or make it irrelevant.
    qmr · 1790930388 · focus · HN ↗
    It gets me 10 internet points though.
    articulatepang · 1790802675 · focus · HN ↗
    All your examples are private goods: excludable and rival. If one person uses a unit, that prevents others from using them.
    Patches to open source software are public goods. Your using them doesn’t prevent others from using them. So if you spend resources creating a public good, it’s in everyone’s interest to share it.
    dzhiurgis · 1790813192 · focus · HN ↗
    Took me 6M codex tokens yesterday to get omarchy wifi working on macbook
    alightsoul · 1790819647 · focus · HN ↗
    That is not normal. Were you able to use the arch wiki? Omarchy is a version of arch Linux.
    dzhiurgis · 1790890950 · focus · HN ↗
    IDK how it fixed it exactly, I suspect it's macbook specific issue. It wasn't accepting my wifi password and 5ghz radio wasn't working. Steering it to fix 5ghz sorted it out. I'm not going to any wiki's myself, fuck that.
    AuthAuth · 1790833996 · focus · HN ↗
    They dont understand the fix so sharing a vibe coded patch is upstream spam. They should submit a bug report and their findings. (Written by them not AI)
    luckydata · 1790800934 · focus · HN ↗
    why reinvent the wheel and spend tokens for a problem that has already been solved?
    baby_souffle · 1790808913 · focus · HN ↗
    Wouldn't it be better if only one person had to and then we all got to benefit from the fix?
    Why would the guy who wrote curl share it? We can all build our own now...
    Why do the Linux folks need to be so selfless? We can all build our own kernel now...
    folkrav · 1790826215 · focus · HN ↗
    Why would we even ever distribute software again, by this logic?
  2. otabdeveloper4 · 1790800969 · focus · HN ↗
    Spoiler alert: the problem didn't actually get fixed despite the jaw on the floor.
  3. dominotw · 1790803564 · focus · HN ↗
    he is still closing his jaw
  4. taylorfinley · 1790804950 · focus · HN ↗
    Here they are: <a href="https://gist.github.com/birep/6f2c8d490c7a29820997d57bd654c351" rel="nofollow">https://gist.github.com/birep/6f2c8d490c7a29820997d57bd654c3...
  5. imtringued · 1790843421 · focus · HN ↗
    If you read the code you would realize that the issue is....
    in amdkfd and hsakmt
    Yes, that means AMD is sitting on both sides. They wrote software that doesn't work with their own software.

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