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Gemini 4 Argon

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babelfish · 1790798806 · focus · HN ↗
> We’ll continue to gather feedback from early testers as we iterate on guardrails before making Argon available to developers, enterprises, and consumers as soon as possible.
Gemini not beating the "can't release a model" allegations
1. Androider · 1790799888 · focus · HN ↗
  My Gemini app (updated today) and <a href="https://gemini.google.com/" rel="nofollow">https://gemini.google.com/ has _3.6_ as the latest selectable model, as a paying Pro user in the US. How is that even possible? Gemini 3.7 was released in August, 3.8 early September. What is going on over there?
  1. vlyan · 1790800292 · focus · HN ↗
    just Google being whatever the fuck it's been for the past 15 years.
    forshaper · 1790807011 · focus · HN ↗
    a distributed market research institution with no direction?
  2. AuthAuth · 1790800987 · focus · HN ↗
    they moved it from the place you'd expect to ai.studio
  3. XzAeRosho · 1790801011 · focus · HN ↗
    I was reading the announcement and wondering the same. And don't forget, still with 3.1 Pro as the frontier model.
  4. asdfasgasdgasdg · 1790804769 · focus · HN ↗
    That's weird. I got 3.8 and 3.7 on the days they were released. <a href="https://imgur.com/a/Xu4wRLM" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/a/Xu4wRLM (this is on gemini.google.com, but the same is true of the iOS app and the desktop app).
    fr2029 · 1790825185 · focus · HN ↗
    [dead]
  5. ttul · 1790804816 · focus · HN ↗
    Indeed. They have this amazing model and you can’t access it in their own branded app. It’s insane.
  6. wasabi991011 · 1790804922 · focus · HN ↗
    I would imagine you are experiencing a bug. I've been using 3.8 daily since its release (on a Pro plan in Canada). I believe this is true of many people.
    What is your reason to believe this is not a bug specific to a small set of Pro users?
    bobtheborg · 1790806186 · focus · HN ↗
    My paid company Google Workspace account is stuck on 3.6.
    My free gmail account is not.
    fragmede · 1790808319 · focus · HN ↗
    Gmail gets new features regularly ahead of workspace accounts, nothing new there.
    HotHotLava · 1790807201 · focus · HN ↗
    Would that change anything about the conclusion? Having a "bug" that changes available model options for some small set of Pro users 3 months after launch certainly qualifies as a wtf-are-they-even-doing level of bug in my book.
    jeanloolz · 1790838473 · focus · HN ↗
    My corporate workspace which seem to be a pro account is limited to 3.6 but my personal account at 20/month has given me the latest model always immediately. Flash 3.8 is my go to model for pretty much everything those days
    benhurmarcel · 1790859516 · focus · HN ↗
    I also only have access to 3.6 flash on both my free personal account, and my professional Enterprise account.
    Google just takes months to roll out their models to everyone.
  7. rahimnathwani · 1790806287 · focus · HN ↗
    In my consumer gmail account with Pro, I see:
    3.5 Flash-Lite 3.8 Flash 3.1 Pro
    In both a paid Google Workspace account (without the AI addon) and a free 'GSuite' account, I see:
    3.6 Flash 3.6 Thinking 3.1 Pro
    r1ch · 1790809989 · focus · HN ↗
    We're on Enterprise Standard, our renewal was up like 50% because "Gemini is included now think of all the added value" yet they won't even give us the latest models. I tried hard to champion Gemini internally once every user had it included, yet we ended up spending extra on Claude because Gemini has stagnated. Even the included usage for the Gemini CLI was taken away and now requires an extra subscription. I wonder if we we'll even see Gemini 4 before 2028. It's ridiculous.
    giancarlostoro · 1790811467 · focus · HN ↗
    Every time I hear stuff like this, I think of that Office Space thing... you don't want the Engineers talking directly to the customers.. well it sounds like the Engineers are also handling all releases and business decisions willy nilly.
    RugnirViking · 1790844315 · focus · HN ↗
    you think engineers are responsible? why?
    giancarlostoro · 1790860196 · focus · HN ↗
    Because I have worked with responsible engineers, but it seems like Google is overrun by them there's a lot of really bad business stuff going on. It's like when I think of AWS, nothing on there is named for business people, its all really bad names that IT / Devs come up with.
    wavemode · 1790864434 · focus · HN ↗
    AWS as a whole is sold to businesspeople, sure, but the individual AWS products are definitely being sold to engineers. S3 and EC2 don't need to have layperson-friendly names, since laypeople don't understand what they are or why one would or wouldn't use them - those are CTO/tech lead decisions.
    giancarlostoro · 1790866492 · focus · HN ↗
    I still have simpler conversations when talking about Azure services and naming them, they have reasonable names. I never did anything with GCP so I cannot compare, but I assume their naming scheme is also reasonable. It feels to me like AWS was basically they decided to offer some of their internal things externally, nobody renamed anything, and then they just ran with it.
    yearolinuxdsktp · 1790825130 · focus · HN ↗
    It is ridiculous. It took months for 3.1 Pro to become available in an enterprise account.
    The excuse was it was still “in preview” and the enterprise didn’t opt in to the preview channel.
    With Google, it’s either in beta or deprecated.
    tdboorman · 1790823341 · focus · HN ↗
    Seeing the same - definitely frustrating. 3.8 seems decent, but I’m still unable to use it at work because Google has been so slow to release it to Google Workspace customers.
  8. Yizahi · 1790807266 · focus · HN ↗
    Same for me, 3.6 in Gemini Chat, and 3.8 available same day as it was announced in AI Studio using the same account.
  9. sergiotapia · 1790823811 · focus · HN ↗
    This is why I've heard you should just use openrouter for these models. Whatever google is doing/hiring for the dev ux is doing a terrible job.
  10. selcuka · 1790829902 · focus · HN ↗
    Same here. But if you install the Antigravity CLI and log in with the same Google account you can select both Gemini 3.7 Flash and 3.8 Flash. Crazy.
  11. lp92 · 1790857773 · focus · HN ↗
    I'm a Pro user as well and I've been using Gemini 3.8 for a few weeks now. Not sure why you're not seeing 3.8 available.
  12. kyrra · 1790863219 · focus · HN ↗
    Is this something you've tried to figure out? I'd love to hear more from you here. Are you sure you're not just on a Plus plan? How much are you paying monthly? Are you sure it's the AI pro plan? What does Google One say? <a href="https://one.google.com/" rel="nofollow">https://one.google.com/

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