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The AI Race Just Got Awkward

412 points · 463 comments · allisdust

  1. cmiles8 · · focus · HN ↗
    Why is it a problem that the Chinese labs are just distilling down Anthropic’s models? Aren’t Anthropic’s models not just distilling down other people’s work?

    Feels like Anthropic crying do as I say not as I do.

    1. jedberg · · focus · HN ↗
      What Anthropic is doing requires way more resources than what the Chinese labs are doing. So their complaint is that they do 95% of the work and the Chinese labs do the last 5% and call it their own.

      An argument can be made that Anthropic is also only doing the last 5% of the work (because the content they are training on was the other 95%) but that's a bit more philosophical.

      1. JackFr · · focus · HN ↗
        But the analogy still holds.

        The original authors of all the text, creators of the media and developers of the software did far more work than Anthropic.

        1. layer8 · · focus · HN ↗
          SOTA models cost hundreds of millions to train. Did creating the contents of the text corpus they were trained on really cost an equivalent of 20x as much (~10 billions)? I honestly don’t know, but I could imagine it having been significantly less.

          This isn’t meant as a moral argument, just musing about the relative cost comparison.

          1. Ar-Curunir · · focus · HN ↗
            Yes, duh! Human output across the millennia is worth much more than whatever is being invested in frontier labs.

            How is this even a question.

            1. bmacho · · focus · HN ↗
              They are solving unsolved math problems right now, so probably soon or very soon their output will be more valuable than all human recorded knowledge.
              1. Ar-Curunir · · focus · HN ↗
                What do you think mathematicians were doing for centuries before LLMs?

                And also, humans have been doing a lot more work than just mathematics...

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