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1. cmiles8 · 1790785395 · focus · HN ↗

   Why is it a problem that the Chinese labs are just distilling down Anthropic’s models? Aren’t Anthropic’s models not just distilling down other people’s work?

   Feels like Anthropic crying do as I say not as I do.

   1. jedberg · 1790785970 · focus · HN ↗

      What Anthropic is doing requires way more resources than what the Chinese labs are doing. So their complaint is that they do 95% of the work and the Chinese labs do the last 5% and call it their own.

      An argument can be made that Anthropic is also only doing the last 5% of the work (because the content they are training on was the other 95%) but that's a bit more philosophical.

      1. JackFr · 1790786294 · focus · HN ↗

         But the analogy still holds.

         The original authors of all the text, creators of the media and developers of the software did far more work than Anthropic.

         1. jdonaldson · 1790786755 · focus · HN ↗

            Yeah, the whole thing seems like a human centipede of rug pulling. Probably the same as it's always been. Curating AI knowledge should be something that we put our best researchers towards, but realistically I think we wind up with 2-3 highly biased nationalistic models that are constantly copying off each other's notes.

            1. rubicon33 · 1790787032 · focus · HN ↗

               Thanks, that’s the nature of any business. Founders see a way to take existing knowledge and expertise, combine it in some novel or interesting way, and produce a new product

               1. mitthrowaway2 · 1790787873 · focus · HN ↗

                  Napster was a fantastic and disruptive product, the likes of which arguably has no equal to this day. But eventually the hammer came down from the courts and it was replaced by streaming services like Netflix, which pay to license materials from their creators.
               2. tsunamifury · 1790790163 · focus · HN ↗

                  This is a rubbish lossy statement. And reductionist to the point of nothing has meaning.

                  Did Anthropic put work in? Yes. Did they derive their value from Humanity being open with knowledge then try to sell it back? Also yes.

                  Did they even steal the tech? Also yes.

            2. _DeadFred_ · 1790807942 · focus · HN ↗

               Ai should fall under libraries not mega corporate tech houses. They are our existing knowledge repositories.

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