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The AI Race Just Got Awkward

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  1. slowin · · focus · HN ↗
    I'm also grateful to the Chinese labs for providing workarounds for the walled gardens that the US based AI companies are attempting to create.

    Does anyone know if there are any distillation datasets available? I'd love to see these distributed on BitTorrent. I think it's critical that AI be democratized and not isolated in the hands of a few private companies.

    1. 10xDev · · focus · HN ↗
      An authoritarian regime is not your friend and will pullback the moment their own models become highly capable.
      1. computerex · · focus · HN ↗
        As opposed to what? The US? You think the US is any different? Literally our pedo president publicly admits to insider trading. You think the US government gives a rat's ass about the American people?
        1. htx619 · · focus · HN ↗

          [dead]

        2. dirck-norman · · focus · HN ↗
          The independent media reports on this and that’s why you know.

          China has zero independent media and has the largest and most sophisticated censorship and surveillance state in the world.

          Trump would love to have the absolute power that Xi has, but thankfully doesn’t.

          Tired of this lazy whataboutism.

          1. computerex · · focus · HN ↗
            No, actually trump bragged about it on x.

            Trump kicked and banned major news orgs from the White House just now. You’d have to be will fully ignorant or really naive to believe we have fair and just media.

          2. ted_bunny · · focus · HN ↗
            Whataboutism is the rallying cry of every sophist who can dish it but not take it. Whataboutismism
            1. computerex · · focus · HN ↗
              My comment doesn't even fall into the category of whataboutism....
          3. computerex · · focus · HN ↗
            Btw how much media coverage have you seen in America related to the genocide of Gaza ? Jewish terrorism in West Bank?

            That’s what I thought. There is a reason independent journalists on YT are having great success right now because legacy media is trash, bought and paid for.

            Why do you think journalists are creating shows like “Mehdi Hasan unfiltered”?

            You can’t in goodwill with a straight face say American media is just. Western media overall is bought and paid for.

            1. dirck-norman · · focus · HN ↗
              >Btw how much media coverage have you seen in America related to the genocide of Gaza ? Jewish terrorism in West Bank?

              >That’s what I thought.

              Wow, you got me with your nonsequitur strawman argument that you answered yourself and isn't even true. It's easy to identify sophists with how quickly the bring up Israel out of nowhere.

        3. Jskewel · · focus · HN ↗
          Saying the Chinese and US governments are the same is so absurd it doesn't warrant a reply.
          1. voiceofchoice · · focus · HN ↗
            It's true, at least the Chinese government is competent in their authoritarianism.
          2. computerex · · focus · HN ↗
            Then why did you respond with a useless self aggrandising comment?

            Love the arguments btw. Your position is so cut and dry that you can’t even support it with evidence.

          3. xtracto · · focus · HN ↗
            For someone (as me) in Mexico, they are exactly the same.

            Third world societies are not "brainwashed" one way or another with respect to that.

            We just see those governments throwing shade at each other. And bullying us ina similar way.

            1. customguy · · focus · HN ↗
              They are not what they are to you, they are not just whatever you care about, they are what they actually are.
              1. computerex · · focus · HN ↗
                Do you see the self-centeredness of your comment? Why is his (Mexican) perspective wrong? Just because you say it is?
                1. customguy · · focus · HN ↗
                  Do you not see you're projecting? If I say two different types of bird are "the same to me" because they both shit on my head, that doesn't make them the same birds, that just means I only care about what they are to me, i.e. the self-centeredness you accuse me of.

                  You said "for me they are the same". Not in reply to someone saying "to me they're different", but to someone saying they're very different in nature, which they are. That's not a perspective, that's changing the subject and making it about you.

                  1. computerex · · focus · HN ↗
                    Do you even understand what you wrote? Because it's practically incoherent.

                    > They are not what they are to you, they are not just whatever you care about, they are what they actually are.

                    You wrote that. It's a useless comment, adds nothing to the discussion and reads like you are trying to be clever and failing at it. Learn to articulate.

                  2. xtracto · · focus · HN ↗
                    >You said "for me they are the same". Not in reply to someone saying "to me they're different"

                    You are arguing with another user; it was I who said it.

                    They have some differences, yet they are the same in a lot of ways. Some people cannot see it because they have been educated a certain way. Lots of people in China really believe they are right and the US is wrong. Same in Korea, Same in Rusia. Similary, a lot of people in the US are educated to believe the US is "the best country in the world", "the good guys", "always right"; they are not.

                    1. customguy · · focus · HN ↗
                      Ah, sorry for getting you two mixed up.

                      I can agree to to it with the qualifier "in a lot of ways", just not without. We learn about a lot of US crimes by the reporting of US citizens and journalists, a lot of which is available to buy and re-print within the US. Meanwhile, people in China still cannot simply remember Tiananmen, much less publish books about it.

        4. JohnnyMarcone · · focus · HN ↗
          The US has a structure that makes it possible to change the government, China has president for life and one party rule.
          1. computerex · · focus · HN ↗
            You say that as our pedo president is testing waters by doing another term and his republican lackeys are supporting him on this.

            Also at the end of the day what matters is whether the government serves the people and the peoples quality of life.

            Quality of life for the Chinese people has steadily increased. Quality of life for the American people has steadily decreased.

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