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The AI Race Just Got Awkward

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  1. slowin · · focus · HN ↗
    I'm also grateful to the Chinese labs for providing workarounds for the walled gardens that the US based AI companies are attempting to create.

    Does anyone know if there are any distillation datasets available? I'd love to see these distributed on BitTorrent. I think it's critical that AI be democratized and not isolated in the hands of a few private companies.

    1. skybrian · · focus · HN ↗
      There’s a libertarian sentiment that that doesn’t sit well with “AI is harming people” sentiment. If AI has harmful uses, and I think anyone sensible would have to agree that it does, then giving everyone unrestricted AI is likely to make it worse.

      It’s sort of like gun nuts arguing that more guns is the answer. I mean, ok, maybe you’re a responsible gun owner or AI user but relying on personal responsibility doesn’t fix systemic problems. There are bad people out there.

      1. iamnothere · · focus · HN ↗
        All concerns balance against competing concerns, and in this case freedom of computing and knowledge wins over safety. Especially since it’s trivial to copy and share open models.
        1. skybrian · · focus · HN ↗
          Okay, you’re asserting that but I disagree. Why should anyone else be convinced? Why can’t we get the good uses without the harms? It doesn’t seem like an unavoidable tradeoff.
          1. short_sells_poo · · focus · HN ↗
            I agree that it isn't an unavoidable tradeoff in principle, but looking back at our (as in humanity) track record, it is 99% likely to be.
            1. skybrian · · focus · HN ↗
              Populist doomers will tell you that nobody can be trusted, no global problems will ever be solved, nothing can be done, game over, don’t even try.

              People did use global agreements and regulation to fix the ozone hole, though, so I think there’s a chance.

          2. iamnothere · · focus · HN ↗
            Well then do your best, people like me will keep sharing models just fine. (Not like I even do anything with them, but I’m a compulsive data hoarder.) It’s not like the copyright industry has been able to stop sharing either, and there’s serious money at stake there.

            I predict that the AI scaremongering will fizzle out when the bubble bursts. There will still be die-hard believers but the public will lose interest.

            1. skybrian · · focus · HN ↗
              You’re not releasing new models though.

              I don’t see how a stock market crash will make AI-related concerns go away. There was a dot-com crash but the Internet just kept getting bigger and causing more problems. In many ways security has improved, but we worry more than ever about social media, etc.

              1. iamnothere · · focus · HN ↗
                I guess I don’t really see the internet as a disaster, sure it brings issues but so did factories and mass production, and so will AI.
                1. skybrian · · focus · HN ↗
                  I wouldn’t say the Internet is a disaster either, but there are disasters where people died due to factories exploding, letting off toxic gases (like in Bhopal), and so on. That’s why there are regulations to try to prevent industrial accidents.

                  For Internet-related disasters where people died, see [1].

                  I would bet that there will be AI-related disasters. Arguably the US bombing a school in Iran counts, though it seems to be due to organizational issues, too.

                  [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chatgpt.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;t_6abd4e3226b48191a26a0fe6768c722f" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chatgpt.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;t_6abd4e3226b48191a26a0fe6768c722f

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