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Coltrane's Tone Circle

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  1. tniemi · · focus · HN ↗
    Here's an explanation of John Coltrane's "Giant Steps."

    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=62tIvfP9A2w" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=62tIvfP9A2w

    1. rectang · · focus · HN ↗
      The Coltrane changes are lovely, but if you slow them down they aren&#x27;t substantially more difficult than other Jazz changes from that era. What makes Giant Steps so challenging is mainly the tempo.

      Tommy Flanagan, the pianist who struggled a bit on the original Coltrane recording, put out a recording of Giant Steps with his own trio in the 1980s. Having had enough time by then to woodshed the changes, his improvs are exquisite. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=O3PWynH-CEc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=O3PWynH-CEc

      1. pvab3 · · focus · HN ↗
        It&#x27;s also just that they&#x27;re weird and not terribly melodic. They&#x27;re great, but it&#x27;s not like some jazz standard from a musical where you just kind of feel where it&#x27;s going after hearing it a few times.
        1. rectang · · focus · HN ↗
          The Coltrane Changes pattern of descending through major keys via major thirds is actually used at moderate tempo in the bridge of the Rogers&#x2F;Hart tune Have You Met Miss Jones? [1] ... which is a standard from a musical haha.

          But I acknowledge that in that context, it&#x27;s an &quot;out there&quot; harmonic adventure which builds tension, to be released when the final section harps on the tonic.

          I still think that it&#x27;s mostly the tempo that makes Giant Steps feel alien. Modulating through major keys by major thirds isn&#x27;t that exotic, but doing it so quickly that ear just doesn&#x27;t get a chance to orient itself is.

          [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=zHGFo7fRIqc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=zHGFo7fRIqc

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