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Coltrane's Tone Circle

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  1. tniemi · · focus · HN ↗
    Here's an explanation of John Coltrane's "Giant Steps."

    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=62tIvfP9A2w" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=62tIvfP9A2w

    1. rectang · · focus · HN ↗
      The Coltrane changes are lovely, but if you slow them down they aren&#x27;t substantially more difficult than other Jazz changes from that era. What makes Giant Steps so challenging is mainly the tempo.

      Tommy Flanagan, the pianist who struggled a bit on the original Coltrane recording, put out a recording of Giant Steps with his own trio in the 1980s. Having had enough time by then to woodshed the changes, his improvs are exquisite. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=O3PWynH-CEc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=O3PWynH-CEc

      1. pvab3 · · focus · HN ↗
        It&#x27;s also just that they&#x27;re weird and not terribly melodic. They&#x27;re great, but it&#x27;s not like some jazz standard from a musical where you just kind of feel where it&#x27;s going after hearing it a few times.
        1. analog31 · · focus · HN ↗
          This makes it a perpetual challenge for me, and I&#x27;ve never mastered it. Doing something sensible on double bass is hard enough without it always having to be at some unmusical tempo.

          On more straightforward changes, I can usually internalize the melody and harmonic motion well enough to form a sensible solo, but I&#x27;ve got my limits. Fortunately the era of &quot;Giant Steps&quot; getting called on every gig has more or less passed.

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