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Coltrane's Tone Circle

86 points · 25 comments · jtomschroeder

  1. skybrian · · focus · HN ↗
    Maybe this works as review for people who already know it, but it seems like it might be overwhelming for beginners. Learning to recognize 2-5-1 when you hear it in a song might be a better way to start?

    Despite taking piano lessons as a kid, I was in college before I learned to recognize 12-bar blues whenever I heard it. That's pretty late, but you're part of the lucky 10,000 whatever day you learn.

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    1. pvab3 · · focus · HN ↗
      This stuff is completely irrelevant if you haven&#x27;t gotten at least proficient at Bebop and blues. Following the career trajectory of musicians around that era is a good way to build up to those types of music. You start with swing in the 20s and 30, bebop in the 30s and 40s, post-bop and modal jazz in the 50s, then the weird Coltrane changes and free jazz and stuff like that later. I tried really hard to learn those Coltrane patterns when I was first starting off with Jazz but if you don&#x27;t have much improvisational vocabulary, especially over 251s you will be doing 10x as much work
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