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The last time my family was replaced by technology

339 points · 641 comments · megalomanu

  1. harimau777 · · focus · HN ↗
    Have any of these articles actually addressed HOW software developers are supposed to retrain for good jobs? Personally I have neither the money nor the years to go back to college to get a livable job.
    1. bruce511 · · focus · HN ↗
      So obviously each college is different. And your experience is not mine.

      But my college did not train me to get a job the first time. Indeed they explicitly explained to us that that was not their goal. That was helpful because up to then we did think they were doing job training.

      What they actually set out to do was make us "smarter" people. In the sense that they taught us to analyze problems, work in teams, find creative solutions. They taught us about research and critical thinking, and logic and so on. How to hypothesize, test, evaluate, adapt.

      You don't need to go back to college to learn all that again. You already know it. Skills are easily, and quickly taught and learned. That's the easy part. The hard part is approaching a job as a problem to solve- how and where to add value. Value people will pay for.

      Look around you. See unmet needs. Figure out what you need to do to meet those needs. That's the real challenge we face going into this next era.

      1. mitthrowaway2 · · focus · HN ↗
        I don't know where you are, but when I hire mechanical engineers, I hire them from universities with accredited engineering programs. It's actually a legal requirement for the job in my jurisdiction. And if those engineers decide they want to become daycare teachers or knee surgeons, they do have to go back to university and re-train, even though they already learned how to think the first time.
        1. ForHackernews · · focus · HN ↗
          There are many fast-track teaching certification programs for people who already have a university degree <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tntpteachingfellows.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tntpteachingfellows.org&#x2F;

          Healthcare is another growing field that&#x27;s easy to get into with only 1- or 2-year certification programs for some positions.

          1. harimau777 · · focus · HN ↗
            Is that true for healthcare careers that don&#x27;t have abysmal quality of life? All of the nurses I&#x27;ve known are working 60 hour weeks, night shifts, etc.
            1. ForHackernews · · focus · HN ↗
              Pharmacy techs work regular hours.

              Good pay, low barrier to entry, pleasant. Pick two.

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              2. adamredwoods · · focus · HN ↗
                Not from the pharma workers I hear from in the US. But this is all anecdotal.
            2. jacquesm · · focus · HN ↗
              And get paid peanuts. And effectively they&#x27;re told that they are disposable in the face of a pandemic.
        2. bruce511 · · focus · HN ↗
          You&#x27;re right. There are several occupations which have legal entry requirements. You can&#x27;t be a doctor without getting a medical degree.

          However the number of professions that require a formal degree is very small. (And notably, programming is not one of them.) If you take any large group of random people and asked them, you&#x27;d find close to all are not required to have a formal certification.

          Generally yes, people with (any) degree are more hirable to (any) job. The skills getting a degree are generally useful, and make a candidate more employable. But if you already have one, you already have that.

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