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September 2026: The world today, as seen by one Polish guy

522 points · 391 comments · marjancek

flossly · 1790757977 · focus · HN ↗
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1. Germanioum · 1790758782 · focus · HN ↗
  No the west did not want a confrontation with Russia/Putin. Merkel tried to reign in Putin with Gas.
  Putin wanted the confrontation and started to attack Ukraine, killing people for no other reason than his ego.
  US has expensive fuel and not the right one and also still trades its oil internationally and facing a huge price increase for millions, it also has to pay a lot more money for fertilizers.
  The oil of venezuela is the wrong kind of oil and can't just be bought and processed by the USA with a snip of a finger. They have to build/change their refineries for it.
  Minsconstrued in the media? Russia will not attack Europe because Putin knows he is gone the moment he starts attacking Nato.
  Yeah lets have a PROPER discussion and not some right-wing telegram magic group thinking wanna be intelligence experts. After Ukraine, Moldovoa, Belarus and others would have fallen.
  This proxy war is a realltive good outcome especially after what russia was doing the last 15 years: Propaganda manipulation in the west and killing of people with toxins and intervening / playing armsdealer to Africa with conflicts against France.
  1. flossly · 1790759332 · focus · HN ↗
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    flossly · 1790759592 · focus · HN ↗
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    Germanioum · 1790759958 · focus · HN ↗
    Odessa Union house arson is not any indicaton at all. Putin wasn't the rescueer of his Russians in Ukraine and this doesn't allow an attacker to overtake a government and a country.
    I'm shocked on how you don't care or mind at all that a whole country is getting attacked at all and you don't care apparently that Putin has killed 500.000 OF ITS OWN people to protect its ethnic russian population?
    NATO is not ATTACKIng RUSSIA through UKRAINE. NATO is PROTECTING UKRAINE FROM Russia.
    And you either are compeltly clueless or ignorant. Russians main strategy is to overtake a country and the first thing they do is to remove the local people and put russians in their place to break their culture.
    Ah wait you are a russian bot or so. Go back to your propaganda telegram group.
    flossly · 1790760550 · focus · HN ↗
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    Germanioum · 1790761358 · focus · HN ↗
    Stop this and start talking to me about the points i made:
    You said Putin is rescuing the russian people in Ukraine. I say: Putin sent 500.000 Russians to die in Ukraine for rescuing russians? That doesn't make any sense at all.
    You are sending WIkipedaiarticles but you don't read the one telling you its a war? <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022%E2%80%93present)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022%E2%8...
    And again: You do remember when Russia put its Troops on the Ukrainine borders for an excersise lying to the west and then taking over crimea and later on trying to overtake the Ukrainine Gov without any talks to the west?
    Russia is not winning anything, russia lost already A LOT of Humans/man, restructured its industry to produce war items and they just announced themselves to reduce social spending by 7% for its own people to burn even more money on military.
    The decision of Putin to fight this war out will hurt Russia as a country for decades and through its show of weakness, no one takes russia serious anymore. The military parades? man a joke. They even reused their tanks (the old ones) because they can't show anything anymore.
    flossly · 1790762605 · focus · HN ↗
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    mopsi · 1790777992 · focus · HN ↗
    > Now the reality get clear. Russia is winning.
    The Russian war correspondents deserve to be informed of this. They are currently in utter despair over Ukraine's advancements near Lyman.
    The fact alone that this "three-day special operation" is in its fifth year with over 1.5 million casualties places it among the worst disasters in the entire Russian military history. There is no credible way to spin it into anything else.
    hintbits · 1790760310 · focus · HN ↗
    > I think the Odessa Union house arson clearly shows that Ukraine is not protecting it's ethnic-Russian population. Also Ukrain and the baltics trying to ban Russian as al language is a big indicator to me (does not fit a free-democracy with freedom of speech).
    There is no ban or ban attempt on speaking Russian in those countries, you can hear spoken Russian on the streets of Riga, Tallinn or Kyiv. Also, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes, nothing to do with Russian ethnicity or language.
    flossly · 1790760620 · focus · HN ↗
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    hintbits · 1790778429 · focus · HN ↗
    > So why did the right sector burn down a house with people in it?
    It's such a loaded question. You have to give us some credible evidences of that. At least the wikipedia article you've linked directly contradicts this statement.
    flossly · 1791033930 · focus · HN ↗
    See the belligerents on the WP page. RS is there.
    reeredfdfdf · 1790761345 · focus · HN ↗
    NATO supporting Ukraine in their defensive war is horrific in your opinion, but Putin sending hundreds of thousands of young Russian men to die isn't? Your moral compass sounds deeply flawed.
    Perhaps Ukraine should have agreed to never join NATO, but I'm not sure whether this would have prevented the war. After all, Putin seems to genuinely think Ukrainians are not real ethnicity, and that the land thus belongs to Russia. From a Finnish point of view, Russians have again and again proved they cannot be trusted. Even during the good period between collapse of the Soviet Union and invasion of Crimea, Russian air force regularly violated our airspace. Intelligence operatives kept buying property that made no financial sense, but was located near military installations or critical infrastructure. Why would a friendly nation do this?
    I believe in negotiations and diplomacy with Russia, but ONLY when all that is backed by enough military force. Because that is what Russians ultimately respect. The Soviet Union annexed or enslaved its weaker neighbors into puppet states, and that is what Russia ultimately aims to do. Ukraine is only the first step.
    flossly · 1790762492 · focus · HN ↗
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  2. etcetcetcetceta · 1790760537 · focus · HN ↗
    >Merkel tried to reign in Putin with Gas.
    It's rein.
    It's also nonsense, Russia had Germany on a leash, you cannot seriously believe Merkel was playing Putin.
    flossly · 1790762192 · focus · HN ↗
    And that leash was NorthStream? C'mon, it's not a leash when (1) both parties can stop the flow if they want, and (2) if both parties seem to be doing just fine with the leash/pipe no longer functioning.
    kakacik · 1790769616 · focus · HN ↗
    Man you sure like russian propaganda from A to Z, the logic is simply not there as russia doesn't operate on logic but oligarchic mafia power pyramids with their own selfish goals.
    Most of things you write are bullshit to be polite, lies and more lies directly from petrohrad's GRU troll farms. Its aimed for folks with below-average IQ and it works surprisingly well (given it uses psychology us-vs-them to split given population into similar silos for further processing and attack on negative emotions which is not rocket science).
    Just an example of your bullshit - if Germany's half of industry is directly depending on that gas, there is no way they can turn it off just like that. It took them significant amount of time to find other sources and increased their final prices, and part of current industry decline making them less competitive. So much for who owns that leash, but those are facts, so just secondary topic for such folks.
    You know, lies can be put out eloquently so they work at least a bit. Definitely not what you put here.
    flossly · 1791033857 · focus · HN ↗
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    SideburnsOfDoom · 1790783856 · focus · HN ↗
    > Merkel tried to reign in Putin with Gas.
    The key word there is tried. "wandel durch handel" means "Change through trade" (1). That's what Germany tried, it was a part of their foreign policy.
    Now we all know that it did not work with Putin's Russia, but that was not the claim made by Germanioum. It is not nonsense that they tried. Even if they tried and failed.
    Sentences often make more sense when you read all of the words in them.
    1) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandel_durch_Handel" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandel_durch_Handel
    etcetcetcetceta · 1790871848 · focus · HN ↗
    If that was their plan it was incredibly naive, or maybe this is just propaganda to convince suckers that they were trying to do something.
    Generally speaking if you want to have some negotiating power you don't make yourself completely dependent on the counterparty.
    I never thought of Germany as a nation of morons but maybe it's time to revisit that.
    SideburnsOfDoom · 1790924796 · focus · HN ↗
    > If that was their plan
    If you are still in doubt about this, I urge you to read the article linked above. Or google the term. I assumed that it was something that "everybody knows" but apparently not.
2. ccila102 · 1790759476 · focus · HN ↗
  About your first paragraph:
  - what action specifically is the west pushing Zelenski away from Minsk?
  - why is the Ukraine war a lost cause if it is tying up Russian military resources?
  - how does Merkel wish for a stronger Ukraine defense indicate a wish for confrontation instead of a deterrence against it?
  - how does northstream, which seems to be Ukraine going against “the west”, an evidence for the west wanting a confrontation with Russia?
  1. flossly · 1790760194 · focus · HN ↗
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