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Tesla takes on $30B in credit as it approaches unprofitability

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  1. rgmerk · · focus · HN ↗
    Look, I get that Elon wants to chase AI, but why not do relatively simple, low-cost things like build a proper 7-seat SUV that uses the Cybertruck platform - or even a properly stretched Model Y platform (rather than the six-seater L)? Or how about a delivery van on a stretched Y platform?

    Tesla's product line is narrow and aging rapidly.

    1. fooker · · focus · HN ↗
      This will get TSLA valued as a car company.

      They want to be valued as a ~~scifi~~ tech company.

      Which is fair, given that the market (and by extension we) chose to brutally punish boring car companies that make reliable high volume cars.

      1. ryandvm · · focus · HN ↗
        What's funny is that nobody even believes the SpaceX/Tesla fever dream stuff - not even the fanboys. Data centers in space that violate the laws of logistics+thermodynamics? 30 trillion dollars worth of revenue?

        No, they only believe that somebody else believes this shit. The entire valuation of Elon's companies is based on greater fool theory. But it notably is called greater fool, not infinite fool; we are going to run out of fools at some point...

        1. fooker · · focus · HN ↗
          > Data centers in space that violate the laws of logistics+thermodynamics?

          Are you convinced enough that you are correct to short the stock though?

          1. rainsford · · focus · HN ↗
            Shorting it would only make sense if you believe the stock value is at all correlated to the technical feasibility of the long term vision. I think the entire point of the person you're responding to is that it's fairly obviously not.
          2. Paradigma11 · · focus · HN ↗
            No, but I would be willing to bet against concrete milestones on polymarket/kalshi.
            1. fooker · · focus · HN ↗
              Here you go.

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              1. Paradigma11 · · focus · HN ↗
                Thanks, will do.
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