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Tesla takes on $30B in credit as it approaches unprofitability

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  1. sidcool · · focus · HN ↗
    Electrek has gone completely biased with Tesla. They have done so bad, that even if this is true, I'd take it with a fistful of salt.
    1. franciscop · · focus · HN ↗
      I was going to comment exactly the same. They used to be all about Tesla, and now they're basically all against Tesla. It's very shocking to see this turn of the editorial approach for a company that did change the full industry. It is true and well known that hate DOES bring more eyeballs than reporting the good news though, and this seems to be a well known bias against Tesla.
      1. computably · · focus · HN ↗
        > It's very shocking to see this turn of the editorial approach for a company that did change the full industry.

        Is it? Regardless of how revolutionary a company was, they don't get a free pass on criticism.

        I had a positive sentiment towards Tesla when the mission was basically "make EVs sexy" and "promote clean electricity." Although they didn't have a perfect record (QC, proprietary charging, RtR), at least they were disrupting a stagnant industry, with a noble enough goal.

        Now when I think of Tesla, I think of their deployment of "Full Self Driving (Beta) [keep your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road]", "Robotaxi (with human driver)," "Humanoid robot (why?)," and of course the glorious leader who bought Twitter so he could "protect free speech" by banning people he disagrees with.

      2. otherme123 · · focus · HN ↗
        Google used to be the "good company" not that long ago. They changed the whole industry. But today, and very deserved, a lot of people that liked or even loved them, turned against. And that can happen when a company changes, but also when the user changes its point of view: you could be a voter for Trump a couple years ago, but today and after watching the results of his politics (that are not that surprising, is not like the president made an U-turn) you might have a different opinion.

        If you hold the same opinion forever, even when things obviously changed, you are just a fanatic.

        1. franciscop · · focus · HN ↗
          That is true, and I HAVE personally changed my opinion on Tesla, but Electrek IS about moving from Fossil Fuels to Electric vehicles. I guess I expected them to focus on the tech side of things and not on the politics side of it a bit more, when I read a technical magazine is mainly for the tech, not for the US political fight of the day.
        2. blooalien · · focus · HN ↗
          > If you hold the same opinion forever, even when things obviously changed, you are just a fanatic.

          I was a huge fan of Google when "Don't be evil" was still their motto. That opinion changed the moment that motto went the way of the dinosaur.

      3. bergen · · focus · HN ↗
        When was the last release of a new car from Tesla? When did they do anything exciting? Tesla is going in 5 directions at once, none of it with conviction, bleeding money with the CEO addicted and focused mainly on pity battles online most of the time besides managing 5 companies at this point.

        Tesla itself made a turn for the worse over the years and there are a lot of things to criticize honestly

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