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U.S. postal inspectors shut down website selling counterfeit postage labels

281 points · 169 comments · ilamont

A_D_E_P_T · 1790713292 · focus · HN ↗
It says that the perp is Pakistani, and that he's been charged, but not that he's been arrested -- so he's presumably still free in Pakistan.
I hear that normally what the FBI would try in such cases is to lure people onto US or extraditable territory. IIRC there were some rogue Chinese chemists, who owned companies that sold fentanyl intermediates and were under secret indictment in the US, who were "invited to a VIP academic conference in Hawaii" and then arrested as soon as their flight landed.
Seems clear that this Pakistani is a bit more circumspect.
1. bluGill · 1790718411 · focus · HN ↗
  Most countries when presented with evidence that someone who lives there did something criminal will arrest and turn the criminal over to the country the crime was committed in. Sometimes they will put some stipulation in (Europe commonly won't turn a murderer over until the country promises not to seek the death penalty for example), but in general criminals are turned over all the time. In general a country doesn't want criminals living there even if the crime was done elsewhere and so they won't protect their own who commit a crime.
  I don't know Pakistan's polices, but I would expect they would turn the criminal over to the US.
  1. A_D_E_P_T · 1790720089 · focus · HN ↗
    China won't, Russia won't, and there are many others who also don't extradite as a matter of policy. It appears that Pakistan doesn't usually extradite, or at the very least it makes the process very lengthy and difficult.
    cindyllm · 1790724119 · focus · HN ↗
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  2. pocksuppet · 1790720736 · focus · HN ↗
    Could I be arrested and sent to Texas for running a site with porn that doesn't demand ID?
    autoexec · 1790722741 · focus · HN ↗
    Texas has convicted residents of other states for violating their abortion laws. <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-york-attorney-general-joins-landmark-legal-battle-state-abortion-p-rcna229444" rel="nofollow">https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-york-attorney...
    Unless you or your "crime" is covered by an existing shield law you could end up in a lot of trouble. Even if the shield law protects you, if you ever enter the state you could be thrown in prison or executed
    jibe · 1790733955 · focus · HN ↗
    There was no crime, prosecution, or conviction. It was a civil lawsuit, with a default judgement because defendant never responded.
    gnopgnip · 1790729725 · focus · HN ↗
    Dual criminality is a requirement
  3. geye1234 · 1790726655 · focus · HN ↗
    France doesn't extradite its citizens. A notorious child rapist has lived freely there for decades. His crime is public knowledge yet he moves among the highest echelons of French society.
    myroon5 · 1790800981 · focus · HN ↗
    Presumably referencing <a href="https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski" rel="nofollow">https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski for anyone wondering
  4. csense · 1790729837 · focus · HN ↗
    > I would expect they would turn the criminal over to the US.
    This expectation seems...poorly calibrated.
    Pakistan didn't arrest Osama bin Laden, the terrorist mastermind behind an attack that killed thousands of innocent people and significantly altered the trajectory of world history. In what universe do you think they would deport a humble counterfeiter of stamps?
    motionlessveloc · 1790730506 · focus · HN ↗
    Osama bin Laden had friends in high places. I doubt this is true for our stamp counterfeiter, although if he earned even a fraction of the US$126M loss USPS allegedly suffered, I'm sure he can buy some.
    aprilthird2021 · 1790735087 · focus · HN ↗
    You're insinuating a lot here. Pakistan helped tremendously with the wars we were in in the Middle East. The govt did not partake in hiding Bin Laden, he was in an air gapped room in a secure compound and never ever went outside. It's pretty hard to find someone hiding like that. The US govt also did their own investigations and found the govt there did not take part in hiding him. He was hidden by sympathizers in the country
    triceratops · 1790736269 · focus · HN ↗
    > Bin Laden...was in an air gapped room in a secure compound
    ...which was located less than a mile (1300m for the non-Americans) from Pakistani West Point[1]. That points to either mind-boggling incompetence or a deep and well-hidden conspiracy.
    1. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_compound_in_Abbottabad" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_compound_i...
    Spooky23 · 1790739928 · focus · HN ↗
    Robert Hanssen was a leader in US counterintelligence, who was a prolific spy for the Soviets and Russians.
    Motivated people can accomplish things.
    aprilthird2021 · 1790751207 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes it was located there. But it's not like they can raid every house in the city. So much of our nations power is located in DC which has a huge amount of criminal activity and ghettos right next to it. None of this is proof of conspiracy and the US (who found Bin Laden in that compound and needed to do fake vaccine drives to do so) never found any proof of a conspiracy either and they did an investigation into this
    triceratops · 1790777571 · focus · HN ↗
    > So much of our nations power is located in DC which has a huge amount of criminal activity
    Most of that isn't a national security priority. If Ted Kaczynski had been found hiding in DC or near West Point, instead of his cabin in the woods in Montana, they'd only be wrapping up the Congressional hearings by about now.
    aprilthird2021 · 1790814950 · focus · HN ↗
    Not really. He could have very easily been hiding out anywhere, even DC. But I'd also add that Kaczynski was actively committing crimes while unable to be found. Bin Laden had not only not left his compound for years, he also wasn't really doing anything all that time either.
    [deleted] · 1790895245 · focus · HN ↗
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    Dylan16807 · 1790753488 · focus · HN ↗
    > That points to either mind-boggling incompetence or a deep and well-hidden conspiracy.
    Why? I don't think military schools have a habit of invading nearby mansions and not much less was going to find him.
    cindyllm · 1790745870 · focus · HN ↗
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