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Vermont replacing power plants with home batteries

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  1. hettygreen · · focus · HN ↗
    Here's a better article:

    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;electrek.co&#x2F;2026&#x2F;07&#x2F;28&#x2F;vermonts-largest-energy-source-is-now-a-virtual-power-plant&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;electrek.co&#x2F;2026&#x2F;07&#x2F;28&#x2F;vermonts-largest-energy-sourc...

    Seems like they supply each person with 2 Tesla powerwalls for the $55&#x2F;month and get a reduction in their bills that depends on how much power they choose to share to the grid during power outages.

    They&#x27;ve already closed down 2 peaker power plants because of this, so it doesn&#x27;t seem to just be about handling power outages, but also handling fluctuating power usage instead of firing up extra power plants.

    1. sandworm101 · · focus · HN ↗
      Lithium is not the way to go for home batteries. As size&#x2F;weight are not an issue for a basement or shed install, oldschool lead-acid are much cheaper and can be easily recycled once at end of life.

      Those tesla wall packs will be a massive headache when they give up the ghost. Read the contract carefully. Who is responsable for end-of-life disposal? Where&#x2F;how are they to be disposed of? Lead acids can be taken to any number of recycling centers, some will even pay you for them.

      1. lavela · · focus · HN ↗
        Do you have a source for the cost benefit? Any lifecycle assessment I find says that Lithium is cheaper.
        1. bluGill · · focus · HN ↗
          There are too many variables to make a simple statement. Lead-acid is a lot cheaper and we know how to recycle it. We also have a long proven history of lead acid lasting for decades in ideal conditions (which a house battery is more likely to hit than in a car).

          However lead-acid does not like deep discharge so to get max life you will be using much less than the full discharge cycle 80%-100%, and so the lifecycle costs are very different. In some cases lead-acid can be more cost effective if you manage it well, but I would expect lithium to be cheaper for the typical case.

          That is lead acid means your real goal is a cheap home backup, which you have to ride out multi-day power outages, and as a secondary you will sell some power to the grid, but you are not trying to make money doing this. By contrast I would expect lithium to make sense if your primary goal is to make money (or at least pay for your home backup system that can ride out a couple hours of outage but not days). The storage to ride out days could work now, but long term as your neighbors buy the system eventually there isn&#x27;t the need for that much storage and someone gets limited.

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