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1. x313 · 1790703575 · focus · HN ↗

   Horrid value.

   Previous $200 tier: 20x pro value

   New $200 tier: 10x

   New $500 tier: 25x, plus ultrafast mode but it drains 6x the cost (!!)

   1. WinstonSmith84 · 1790704020 · focus · HN ↗

      Where do you see that? I can't even see the $500 plan on their pricing page.

      1. minimaxir · 1790704236 · focus · HN ↗

         The pricing is on the linked page but does not appear to be selectable in ChatGPT UI yet.
      2. x313 · 1790704954 · focus · HN ↗

         The $500 25x was mentioned by Altman on the livestream

         The $200 cut to 10x was announced only formally on Twitter

         However none of their product pages mention concrete #s, so I guess value will only degrade more over time.

         1. WinstonSmith84 · 1790705251 · focus · HN ↗

            Thanks...

            It's strange if that ends up to be this way. It's hard to see why would anybody subscribe to the $200 - or even the $500 for the sole benefit of using ultrafast (depleted probably within hours).

            1. NewJazz · 1790708268 · focus · HN ↗

               Because it is still cheaper than API usage, and more convenient than multiple subscriptions.
   2. rfgplk · 1790704036 · focus · HN ↗

      I checked it's actually awful lol
   3. linuxftw · 1790704516 · focus · HN ↗

      The plan page just says "More usage" it doesn't say any 10x multiplier. Literally just says "More" than plus.

      1. cyral · 1790704893 · focus · HN ↗

         Seriously, even the "Learn more about limits" link just takes you to the posted page where it literally says nothing about limits or usage. Not even x20 or x10 or whatever, just zero information on what "more usage" actually means. I don't understand why they can't provide how much token usage you get.

         1. theturtletalks · 1790705340 · focus · HN ↗

            Yes they used to show an estimate of how many messages you can send in each tier and for each model.

            But past few weeks, I don’t think it was accurate since my usage was going down faster. They nerfed the usage and now aren’t even giving estimates.

      2. 2001zhaozhao · 1790719016 · focus · HN ↗

         Afaik the usage quota nerf to $200 Pro is true. Twitter is all over them right now. (Also you haven't been able to buy the $200 Pro plan for the last two weeks or so)
   4. petesergeant · 1790705679 · focus · HN ↗

      Literally just downgraded to the $20 a month one, as they're not grandfathering in the old plans. I don't think this is going to work the way they thought.

      1. chaostheory · 1790706582 · focus · HN ↗

         I’ll be doing the same as you 10/26 when our grandfather limits end, in addition to downgrading my Anthropic sub. I guess I’m shopping for hardware and open weight AIs now.

         1. htrp · 1790710546 · focus · HN ↗

            You and everyone else
         2. gessha · 1790720252 · focus · HN ↗

            There’s Discords dedicated to local hosting or check out level1tech forums. Anyone there will gladly help you with your budget and use cases.
      2. matheusmoreira · 1790717452 · focus · HN ↗

         They did grandfather the usage of the $200 plans for now. Only reason I haven't cancelled yet.

         1. sscaryterry · 1790721762 · focus · HN ↗

            This is temporary.

            1. matheusmoreira · 1790721968 · focus · HN ↗

               Yeah, until the end of October. Kinda hoping they'll pull an Anthropic and keep extending it.
   5. johnsmith1840 · 1790707408 · focus · HN ↗

      What? So I have 2 200$ openai plans this is saying the 500$ is almost equivalent to a SINGLE 200$ plan?

      Or it's saying it's always on fast mode therefore it's like running a 20x on fast all the time?

      Super confused.

      500$ is a old 200$ plan plus an option to drain it absurdly fast?

      What is the value here of a 500$ plan I can't figure it out.

      1. ModernMech · 1790708517 · focus · HN ↗

         > 500$ is a old 200$ plan plus an option to drain it absurdly fast?

         Yes.

         > What is the value here of a 500$ plan I can't figure it out.

         If you have unlimited money, it lets you give it to OpenAI to get faster results, presumably because you don't have unlimited time.

   6. qwe----3 · 1790715878 · focus · HN ↗

      To be fair the new models are likely 2x as expensive as before

      1. nostrebored · 1790721523 · focus · HN ↗

         Supposedly much less expensive per task (more token efficient and cheaper)
   7. jcomp · 1790716744 · focus · HN ↗

      I can't believe I am defending these people and am not arguing this is the case, but a change in the multiplier isn't necessarily a downgrade if the value of X has increased. Yes, relative to Pro the new tier isn't as valuable, but it could still be more valuable relative to the old tier for the same price.

      1. trashface · 1790717721 · focus · HN ↗

         Usage limit is - limiting. I may not notice the increased value of a more advanced model, but I will notice when I can't even use the service.

         1. jcomp · 1790718563 · focus · HN ↗

            I'm saying we don't know what x is for Pro usage. If Pro's newX is 3 times oldX, new10x > old20x.

            That aside, all of the ambiguity around usage is killing their credibility (among other things). Usage limits feel like they swing wildly day to day and week to week, and it's hard to trust any of the other claims they make when that's the case.

      2. paulddraper · 1790720647 · focus · HN ↗

         Yeah, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

         "Yesterday you gave me 10 Frooby Bucks and charged 2 Frooby Bucks per banana. Now you gave me 5 Frooby Bucks and charge me 1 per banana!"

   8. matheusmoreira · 1790717279 · focus · HN ↗

      Their audacity is shocking. Tibo posted a wall of text on X rationalizing this nonsense and I couldn't bring myself to read a single word.

      Half the usage for the same price.

      This is the same nonsense Anthropic got burned for. I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and find a GLM or Kimi provider already.

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