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1. gradus_ad · 1790701889 · focus · HN ↗

   Ominous for the industry and investors that token price is becoming the main battleground. Could be Anthropic's rationale for IPOing this year.

   1. mixdup · 1790702708 · focus · HN ↗

      Another piece of evidence on the pile that the sudden panic and desire to "slow down" is because they're hitting the plateau on capability

      Which, honestly, is fine. A lot of juice to squeeze in efficiency and even if models got zero more capable, making the capability that is already here cheaper is a huge win for everyone (except Nvidia)

      1. semiquaver · 1790702921 · focus · HN ↗

         What universe do you live in that you can look at the past six months and see anything like a plateau in capability?

         Edit: removed a comment that was uncharitable and rude, for which I apologize.

         1. arctic-true · 1790703763 · focus · HN ↗

            Most of the impressive accomplishments we’ve seen in the last few months have been the result of huge agent swarms working together and brute-forcing solutions, not massive leaps in intelligence from standalone models. That is still an improvement in the usefulness and power of the technology, but it is NOT evidence that model intelligence is increasing faster than before.

            1. famouswaffles · 1790704270 · focus · HN ↗

               I don't have any access to any agent swarms (and neither do most) and i still think the models have obviously improved massively in standalone intelligence. Of course they have, agent swarms are not magic. You can swarm all you want around GPT-4 era models and you'll get nowhere. And i've never seen the term 'brute-force' more abused than these LLM discussions. Basically none of the results have been brute force.

               1. semiquaver · 1790704780 · focus · HN ↗

                  Agreed. You can’t “brute force” reality, which has an infinitely large state space. A million monkeys won’t write Shakespeare and all that
            2. CamperBob2 · 1790704543 · focus · HN ↗

               "This machine-intelligence stuff is overrated, they are just using <insert particular machine-intelligence technique here>" isn't the resounding verdict it may have sounded like when you typed it.
            3. usef- · 1790724184 · focus · HN ↗

               Do you use them? I feel like you're talking about the news headlines. But in daily, direct, individual usage (one model at a time) I've found they've improved tremendously on the last few months.

               1. arctic-true · 1790768801 · focus · HN ↗

                  Yes, I do. They’ve definitely gotten better, I wouldn’t dispute that. But we haven’t gone from useless toys to Skynet in the last 6 months, progress is slower and steadier than that.

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