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1. TazeTSchnitzel · 1790689639 · focus · HN ↗

   I guess that demonstrates the concept of “a drop in the ocean”, but turning a massacre of civilians into a unit of energy feels crass at best.

   1. ygjb · 1790690192 · focus · HN ↗

      To be completely blunt, the humanitarian crisis being caused by runaway fossil fuel use is tantamount to massacre of civilians.

      The death toll from Hiroshima was between 90-160 thousand people. The amount of excess deaths due to heat waves in 2023 was around 178,000. There are projections that the El Nino related heat waves could cause up to half a million, and longer term projections grow to 300,000 a year just from heat in the next few years. Just from heat.

      Add in crop failure, ecosystem collapses, and other unexpected disasters, and it's easy to see why.

      It might be crass, but it's mostly poor people and poor countries that are going to be affected.

      1. scottLobster · 1790692239 · focus · HN ↗

         In your experience, how do people typically respond to crassness? That's how they'll respond to your argument.

         To be completely blunt, fuck your bluntness. You clearly don't care about climate change all that much if you aren't willing to even attempt effective messaging. Go do your revolutionary cosplay with some lesser topic

         1. ygjb · 1790698853 · focus · HN ↗

            Politeness hasn't worked, and we are accelerating climate change, not slowing it.

            You can act as upset as you want, I am more concerned about the impact to the world around us than I am about hurt feelings on a tech discussion forum.

            I'm not entirely sure why you are so upset with me, but I assure you, it's not cosplay. My family lives on the west coast, and are going to be significantly impacted by climate change. My family back east lives in rural Manitoba (southern and northern), and their farms have been impacted by poor harvests due to weather and climate issues. My friends and family in northern Manitoba were evacuated due to forest fires last summer, and other friends in the BC interior were as well.

            It's not performative concern and it's not revolutionary, it's just exhaustion from watching people deny and tone police discussions about something having real, human impacts. People will starve to death because of crop failures happening today, and its going to get worse :(

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