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US sanctions force The Netherlands off Microsoft and toward alternative NixOS

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andrewstuart · 1790684220 · focus · HN ↗
Good thing the Netherlands isn’t the most critical single node for advanced chip equipment, cause that could become awkward.
Oh wait, it is.
But it’s ok because Us President has made it clear the the USA doesn’t need anything Europe has. So, not a problem.
1. petcat · 1790685508 · focus · HN ↗
  The US government already exerts extensive control over ASML's business. The Netherlands can't leverage it in any kind of strategic way because a large part of the technology itself is American and it's very hard to untangle. It's the true definition of a "multi national" company.
  1. kalleboo · 1790691032 · focus · HN ↗
    Do they exert any physical control (i.e. parts are made and shipped from North America), or is it just "Intellectual Property" and legal agreements that can be ignored?
    This is an honest question, I'm trying my best to word it to not sound like a troll.
    petcat · 1790691668 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes the EUV/DUV light source itself is researched, developed, and manufactured in California.
    ASML was permitted to acquire Cymer in 2013 during the Obama administration under a strict technology sharing and export control agreement with the US government.
    The R&D, technology, manufacturing, and all other operations had to remain in the US.
    <a href="https://www.asml.com/en/company/about-asml/cymer" rel="nofollow">https://www.asml.com/en/company/about-asml/cymer
    hnaccount_rng · 1790697524 · focus · HN ↗
    Do you happen to know how they compare to Trumpf the German laser manufacturer?

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