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1. PorciiVorbesc · 1790684329 · focus · HN ↗

   I still don't get why EU governments and agencies don't standardize around an already existing industry proven OS the EU already has domestically, which is SUSE, and need to each go reinventing the wheel their own way, which leads to higher costs and more fragmentation across the EU.

   I heard the reason was that NL doesn't know if SUSE will be sold off again and might end up in the hands of some US PE, but here's the thing, you're the government, you can just block the sale of companies related to sovereign national security like those making operating systems. You can just do things when you want to. You literally have that power. Exercise it for once FFS.

   1. p_l · 1790684382 · focus · HN ↗

      Might be related to NixOS being strongly related to Netherlands and them picking local

      1. PorciiVorbesc · 1790684628 · focus · HN ↗

         Yeah well that's why the EU federal idea is and will be a failure. It wishes to be the challenger to the US and China hegemony in theory, but then every individual country wants to be its own special mini-boss in its own playground hoping they'll be at the top of the helm, that develops and uses its own separate things that will hopefully get adopted by the other EU members.

         1. cgio · 1790685567 · focus · HN ↗

            Is that why US failed while building CP/m, Unix a few, Dos, Windows, MacOs, OS/2,…? A successful market does not impose monopolies. The more, the merrier.

            1. PorciiVorbesc · 1790685709 · focus · HN ↗

               > A successful market does not impose monopolies. The more, the merrier.

               Yeah but when it comes to national sovereignty you can't let your own products get steamrolled by the entrenched monopolies of your adversaries (Google, Microsoft, AWS, etc) just because you're gullible and still think you can play by the rules of idealistic 'free market' and come out on top, while your adversaries protect their monopolies to weaponize them against you on the "free market", suppressing or destroying your domestic industry and making you indefinitely dependent on them (US big-tech, Chinese EV industry, etc).

               China has achieved a SW industry superior to the EU with much less money, simply because it has banned US big-tech from its market, preventing its own small domestic players from being crushed by US giants. It's also how countries like Italy, Japan and Korea built strong car industries post-WW2, as they banned superior import cars (often US ones) from their markets, till their own industry could catch up and be competitive internationally. India does the same.

               1. toyg · 1790686204 · focus · HN ↗

                  Cooperation and competition can be partial. Google and Microsoft compete internally and then cooperate when fighting external forces. There is no reason why this cannot work for European companies too.

                  The problem has more to do with the weak sense of belonging to a supranational identity. Californians and New Yorkers both identify as Americans before they identify as members of their home state; the opposite is true of most Europeans still. Change is slow.

                  1. PorciiVorbesc · 1790689864 · focus · HN ↗

                     >Californians and New Yorkers both identify as Americans before they identify as members of their home state; the opposite is true of most Europeans still.

                     You don't need to completely erase and crush ethnic and national identities in order to standardize on technical platform for the common market.

                     1. toyg · 1790693465 · focus · HN ↗

                        No, but there has to be a sense of belonging strong enough to make it clear that, on any given problem, the approach should be "what is convenient to us as Europeans vs American companies" rather than "what is convenient to us as <state X> vs American companies". And Americans (and not just them) ruthlessly exploit this state through basic divide et impera.

                        1. PorciiVorbesc · 1790700072 · focus · HN ↗

                           >No, but there has to be a sense of belonging strong enough to make it clear that, on any given problem, the approach should be "what is convenient to us as Europeans vs American companies"

                           No you don't need that, that's why we have the EU & EC that just demands all members follow a fixed set of rules and regulation in order to solve a common problem. Operating systems could also be part of that problem to solve (amongst million other sovereignty problems we have to solve but will never get to).

                           You didn't need a shared sense of belonging for the EU to mandate USB-C on all gadgets sold in the EU. So you don't need a shared sense of belonging to demand all EU government systems transition to SUSE or compatible forks in the next 10 years, and each state can fork and modify it to its own liking by local companies and service providers to support its domestic market/industry if they wish.

                           If EU countries can build Airbus planes together, then they definitely can standardize on an OS, you just need to want to do it, but unfortunately, the politicians and policy makers who helped put Airbus together, were cut from a different cloth than the self serving useless rejects we have today at the EU helm.

               2. mike_hearn · 1790693961 · focus · HN ↗

                  It didn't ban US tech except in very targeted ways, when they already had a competent local competitor. There are, for example, iPhones and Androids everywhere in China.

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