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500k facial scans at UK stations yield no arrests, 1 false positive

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righthand · 1790683956 · focus · HN ↗
Security theater is out of control. I just returned from traveling abroad to some major cities in Europe and getting back to NYC, it's the only city I've been in that let's the cops run wild and fly helicopters low over the city. Not so the cops can do any actual work but so they can take a 2 minute short cut to their private helicopter base instead of flying over the water. No person I have ever met enjoys the sudden loud noise from helicopters flying just above their head in the middle of the day/night. There are campaigns against it[0], and people despise cops. It would be such an easy win to gain some better relations with the communities and yet the cops keep on doing it.
The cops keeps doing it and the rich join in on holidays to take a shortcut to JFK from downtown Manhattan. The city were 9/11 was apparently a big deal wants to you feel like you're in a war zone all the time for shortcuts and a few $ savings on helicopter fuel.
This to me is the ultimate security theater environment, where the state is constantly pressing a false sense of FUD.
[0] <a href="https://stopthechopnynj.org/" rel="nofollow">https://stopthechopnynj.org/
1. muglug · 1790685139 · focus · HN ↗
  You’re conflating private helicopter rides (which are annoying and frequent) with police ones, which are generally pretty necessary. I’ve only seen them out in my neighborhood after serious crimes where a suspect hasn’t been caught.
  1. righthand · 1790685446 · focus · HN ↗
    No I'm not conflating them, I see the NYPD tags on the map flying directly over Brooklyn to their helicopter base 5+ times a day. [0]
    No they are not necessary, the East River is right there to fly over. I also have never read "cops failed to catch criminal due to long helicopter route back to base over East River" as a headline or a logical train of thought.
    I'm guessing you're related to, or are a police officer yourself. Which means you're conflating truth with misdirection.
    [0] <a href="https://globe.adsbexchange.com/" rel="nofollow">https://globe.adsbexchange.com/
    SideQuark · 1790686923 · focus · HN ↗
    Those tags are far more likely the NYPD drone-as-first-responder flights they do launch quite often. The FAA gave NYPD beyond line of sight drone operations with NYPD ADS-B tags. [1]
    Instead of misunderstanding things, assuming it supports your preconceived beliefs, then making further unwarranted assumptions about others to reinforce your misguided world view, simply google to see if those tags are helicopters.
    Don’t project your incorrect beliefs onto others.
    [1] <a href="https://www.skydio.com/blog/faa-issues-revolutionary-approval-to-nypd-to-conduct-drone-as-first-responder-operations" rel="nofollow">https://www.skydio.com/blog/faa-issues-revolutionary-approva...
    righthand · 1790687967 · focus · HN ↗
    I am not misunderstanding anything. My beliefs are not incorrect. They are helicopters, I know what a helicopter sounds and looks like.
    And furthermore, you're ignoring the entire issue is that PEOPLE OF NEW YORK don't enjoy helicopters flying overhead their city.
    You are simply attempting to invalidate my statements but your links prove absolutely nothing in regards to the issue.
    Instead of misunderstanding things and assuming your pro-helicopter bias supports your preconceived beliefs, then making further unwarranted attacks about my statements to reinforce your pro-security theater world view, simply google to see if those tags are helicopters. YEP! They are.
    Don't project your FUD about what a helicopter is onto others. Don't reply to me and call me a liar and tell me I don't know what a helicopter is.
    Your linked post is from 2 years ago, this has been going on for much longer than 2 years. Take your propaganda elsewhere.
    SideQuark · 1790693661 · focus · HN ↗
    Making up more items?
    You claimed "No I'm not conflating them, I see the NYPD tags on the map flying directly over Brooklyn to their helicopter base 5+ times a day. [0]", as if this proved your point.
    I posted a demonstrable source for those 5+ tags, which can be double checked by looking at NYPD flight logs. You realize there are public flight logs, right?
    Now you'll tell us the secret magic helicopters are not logged and these tags are not from the drones, or yet another round of disprovable angry claims.
    righthand · 1790860298 · focus · HN ↗
    And I have repeatedly told you that the loud helicopter noises over my apartment building are not drones. If you have a brain defect that prevents you from understanding the difference between a helicopter and drone that is on you.

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