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1. jwally · 1790684914 · focus · HN ↗

   I was thinking about this with flock cameras the other day...what's our actual ROI? Was the world horrible before and these initiatives are going to close a monster crime gap or is this just a giant fishing expedition ... just because?

   1. pj_mukh · 1790688931 · focus · HN ↗

      Can we cut to the bone a little bit? The recent crime panics are not about a partner assaulting their live-in partner or a random home burglary. There is no real "ROI" to be had.

      It's purely about the unease of living in chaotic cities, the random stabbings, the shoplifting, the visible homelessness etc. Flock is the stopgap here.

      Partly the "feeling" of chaos is just that, a feeling, driven significantly by algorithmic feeds feeding us every random crime from around the country 24/7. Husband murders wife in a murderous rage? No one hear's about it. Mentally ill man murders a woman on the train in a Tier 2 city, immediate nationwide breaking news.

      The other part though is a real dissolution in how we take care of our mentally ill. Complex topic [1].

      I think complaining about Flock is complaining about the symptom. Today we dogpile on Flock to get it cancelled, tomorrow the public will reach for something else. We have to fix the underlying disease, which is a combination of the two factors above.

      [1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;time.com&#x2F;6265241&#x2F;america-care-of-mentally-ill-people&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;time.com&#x2F;6265241&#x2F;america-care-of-mentally-ill-people...

      1. RussianBot9580 · 1790692274 · focus · HN ↗

         &gt; Today we dogpile on Flock to get it cancelled, tomorrow the public will reach for something else.

         Who&#x27;s the &quot;we&quot; in this sentence? The people who want to keep cities crime-ridden? And why does your opinion matter more than that of the public? I thought these &quot;we&quot; were pro-democracy?

         1. pj_mukh · 1790692556 · focus · HN ↗

            We are pro-democracy, but specifically votes are hidden and not everyone is in your bubble. The voting booth is a private space, away from the judgmental eyes of privacy focussed individuals common on this forum.

            In the privacy of a voting booth, people will vote for Flock to feel safer and simply flooding the headlines will only work temporarily (in fact, there&#x27;s a good chance Flock simply rebrands)

            1. RussianBot9580 · 1790778891 · focus · HN ↗

               &gt; In the privacy of a voting booth, people will vote for Flock to feel safer

               And of course the self-appointed illuminati who know better can&#x27;t have people voting for what they want.

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