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Everybody’s home. No one’s coming over

835 points · 738 comments · barry-cotter

  1. vertnerd · · focus · HN ↗
    As others have mentioned, the decline started long before social media and the Internet. When I was a child, in the 70s, my parents often had other families and couples over for dinner, and we often attended small dinner parties, too.

    As an introvert, I absolutely loathed these gatherings and was frustrated by how powerless I was in avoiding them.

    Recently, I have been reading over my mother's old letters she wrote to her parents at that time, in which she described the effort and social anxiety that went with this tradition. It was not something my parents enjoyed, but rather an obligation they felt they had to uphold. Someone invites you over, then that goes into an unspoken balance sheet, and you are required to reciprocate. She often spoke of "owing" dinner to people. I don't think she enjoyed it at all, though there were a few couples I can remember who were good friends of theirs, and those meetups were always a pleasure to listen in on. The rest were simply a drag.

    I should note that their life in the 70s (in a middle-class college town) was not some idyllic paradise without the Internet, either. Everyone was constantly falling ill with colds or flu, and days were spent running dreary errands to shop for boring things that we now can get with a click. The rotary-dial telephone that hung in the kitchen was the heartbeat of the house, since replaced by Facebook and smartphones. My parents were always busy and exhausted.

    1. sarchertech · · focus · HN ↗
      > Everyone was constantly falling ill with colds or flu

      That’s just anyone who has small kids. Or works in healthcare, childcare, or any service industry really. It has nothing to do with 1975 vs 2025 (unless you’re one of the small amount of people who work remotely, and you don’t have kids or a spouse who falls into one of the above categories).

      Also after a few years you stop getting so many colds.

      1. vertnerd · · focus · HN ↗
        Colds, yes.

        I think respiratory flu is far less common now than it was. I have had a legit case of the flu only once in my adult life. After spending 15 years teaching in a public school, I had countless colds but never caught the flu. Of course, annual flu vaccines might have helped. Those weren't available in the 70s.

        Strep throat was also a very common complaint in the letters. Throat cultures, home visits from the pediatrician, etc., were frequent, especially for my brother. I haven't seen a single case of strep in my extended family since. Maybe just lucky.

        Many things have improved over the decades, but we do have an array of exciting tick-borne illnesses to make up for it!

        1. sarchertech · · focus · HN ↗
          > I think respiratory flu is far less common now than it was. I have had a legit case of the flu only once in my adult life. After spending 15 years teaching in a public school, I had countless colds but never caught the flu.

          They’re not far less common in average. Rates have gone down a bit with the annual flu shot, but there’s a few things going on.

          -Flu rates vary wildly by year and decade. There were a few big pandemics where a very large percentage of people got the flu.

          -There was no way to easily test for the flu, so people said they had it more frequently than they did.

          In a given year about 12% of kids will come down with symptomatic influence which is not too far off from what we can estimate that historic numbers were in an average year.

          >Strep

          I looked up studies on this. Nothing conclusive, but likely no large change.

          Recommendations about when to test have changed though because it turns out that if you culture every kid with a runny nose a large percentage of them will come back positive even though their symptoms are viral.

          So you’re probably right that you notice fewer diagnosed strep cases, but there aren’t actually fewer symptomatic cases.

          1. ryandrake · · focus · HN ↗
            I think a lot of people might think influenza is just a more severe cold, and therefore confuse the two, assuming their cold is "The Flu" because it's worse than usual.
        2. zem · · focus · HN ↗
          I've gotten strep twice in the last ~20 years, it's very much still a thing. extremely unpleasant, too.
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