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Why the Bronze Age Collapsed

412 points · 306 comments · AnodicElegy

  1. randomImmigrant · · focus · HN ↗
    Well, doesn’t the Harappan civilization make a mess out of all this? Tin was nearby, and there’s evidence of bronze artifacts in all kinds of houses across the cities, and in general less evidence of hierarchical power, and certainly nothing like the concentration you see in other Bronze Age civilizations. We don’t have the civilization surviving as is to the Iron Age, because it depopulated before iron smelting became common. But it’s odd to make the claim bronze had to lead to stratified societies. Clearly, not always.
    1. JumpCrisscross · · focus · HN ↗
      The author also doesn’t really even attempt to explain why the Sea Peoples hypothesis, one pretty well substantiated by a lot of independent evidence, and one which the current consensus theory among experts, is wrong. Is there a prior post we’re supposed to be familiar with?
      1. yxhuvud · · focus · HN ↗
        It doesn't need to be wrong - democratising violence mean people with boats are more likely to have weapons and ability to attack you. Or the ability to disrupt trade, for that matter.
        1. stymaar · · focus · HN ↗
          Sea-ready boats were always scarcer and more expensive than weapons in the first place.
          1. JumpCrisscross · · focus · HN ↗
            > Sea-ready boats were always scarcer and more expensive than weapons in the first place

            Coast-hugging boats can be made from wood with some skill. Weapons in that era requires metal in some part. That required a lot of skill.

            1. stymaar · · focus · HN ↗
              I think you slightly underestimate how much work and expertise it is to build ships that can transport an army over a long distance on sea.
              1. JumpCrisscross · · focus · HN ↗
                > ships that can transport an army over a long distance on sea

                This isn’t what the Sea Peoples built. It isn’t even what the Romans built. Most Mediterranean cultures lacked the navigational and ship-building expertise to let the shore out of sight. That doesn’t mean they didn’t need skill. But it was less skill than needed for metallurgy, in part because the latter’s inputs are dearer.

                1. stymaar · · focus · HN ↗
                  I'm honestly starting to doubt you've ever been on a ship at sea. Being in sight of the shore is going to be of little comfort if your makeshift raft capsizes because of the waves.

                  Making a boat that can carry multiple people on sea without sinking when the weather goes a little sour (which can happen in less than an hour in the Mediterranean) is a very hard thing to do. And if you know how to do that you'll never have any shortage of metal or other goods in the first place because you end up being the one who trade them for profit.

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