To the extent my superannuation fund (401k, ROTH, IRA, hard to know what people call this in other economies) is invested in oil, it goes to .. me.
Super funds in Australia, Canada, the US, are now a massive component of capital investment both in the public market and in private equity. Australia's GDP is 2.5T and the super funds are up to 4T or 5T. Thats $trillion. The super funds are bigger than the GDP of the economy they reside in!
Some funds are just venal machines in the for profit sector. Some are run by boards aligned to union sectors, I am in the tertiary education union backed fund in Australia and it's been in the top 5 performing funds for my entire working lifetime, and given me a comfortable retirement. Most of the injection of funds was from me: I paid between 9 and 12% and on occasion up to 15% of my income into this fund over a 35 year working lifetime. Its accrual is all down to my fund manager, and if they invested in oil and have secured a windfall, at the cost of the future climate risk, thats on me, albiet indirectly. 35 years at the 150+ year 6-7% return in the market, (some say this trend is even older) is several doublings over my working lifetime. Those doublings were driven in .. the market.
Me here, is 75% or more of Australia. It's not some amorphous unknown nasty corporate investor in a sharp suit, its ordinary people. Oh, the article even points out that they pay out on insurance and capital costs rebuilding the exploded ships and production facilities. Guess who makes money? Thats right, the superannuation funds invested in the re-insurance market (Warren Buffett's favourite!) or in construction companies, public or private. So.. thats me again.
The money comes to us. Some of us may be in Saud. Sure. The Saudi state pays a huge stipend to its citizens. Some of us may be in Norway. That national investment fund is amazing. Why do you think Norway is now almost completely cut over to private EV drivers?
I'd love to ideate the hateful oil companies as the victors here but the thing is, they don't simply act like Smaug and sit on a pile of gold coins. Thats not held to be useful by them and their peers. They do shave off FAR TOO MUCH to swan about in those aforementioned sharp suits, but enough of the fat trickles into my hands, to keep me in the manner to which I am accustomed, as a retiree.
I'm as complicit, and so are "you" for many people reading this.
A few public servants in Australia, Norway and the kingdom of saud doesn't translate to all the people are benefiting. Nice try to shift the blame to 8.5 billion people instead of oil billionaires and corporations. Old people have set up systems to transfer wealth from future generations. The corporate profits are mirror images of debt: <a href="https://www.hussmanfunds.com/wp-content/uploads/comment/mc251028f.png" rel="nofollow">https://www.hussmanfunds.com/wp-content/uploads/comment/mc25...
US has $40T federal debt (+state, +municipal, +household) and probably 100T+ debt worldwide which the future generations have to pay.
Fossil fuel is unsustainable without substantial subsidies from Govts. Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Reached $7 Trillion in 2022, an All-Time High: <a href="https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022" rel="nofollow">https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022
More than a century of subsidies and yet not profitable on its own.
> US has $40T federal debt (+state, +municipal, +household) and probably 100T+ debt worldwide which the future generations have to pay.
Future US citizens are clearly not going to repay the debt, simply because they can't feasibly pay that much back in real terms. They cannot achieve the impossible. The magnitude of the debt is far beyond what it makes sense for the US to make good on.
Future generations of the US won't be able to borrow on such favourable terms (ie, people will stop donating to the US cause) and all the capital investment that would have happened in the US to power their consumption happened in China instead - but the effects of the debt won't look like repaying anything.
You don't repay in real terms, you repay in nominal terms. That's priced in. The US isn't going to straight up default but it'll pay you back with inflated currency.
ggm · · focus · HN ↗
Super funds in Australia, Canada, the US, are now a massive component of capital investment both in the public market and in private equity. Australia's GDP is 2.5T and the super funds are up to 4T or 5T. Thats $trillion. The super funds are bigger than the GDP of the economy they reside in!
Some funds are just venal machines in the for profit sector. Some are run by boards aligned to union sectors, I am in the tertiary education union backed fund in Australia and it's been in the top 5 performing funds for my entire working lifetime, and given me a comfortable retirement. Most of the injection of funds was from me: I paid between 9 and 12% and on occasion up to 15% of my income into this fund over a 35 year working lifetime. Its accrual is all down to my fund manager, and if they invested in oil and have secured a windfall, at the cost of the future climate risk, thats on me, albiet indirectly. 35 years at the 150+ year 6-7% return in the market, (some say this trend is even older) is several doublings over my working lifetime. Those doublings were driven in .. the market.
Me here, is 75% or more of Australia. It's not some amorphous unknown nasty corporate investor in a sharp suit, its ordinary people. Oh, the article even points out that they pay out on insurance and capital costs rebuilding the exploded ships and production facilities. Guess who makes money? Thats right, the superannuation funds invested in the re-insurance market (Warren Buffett's favourite!) or in construction companies, public or private. So.. thats me again.
The money comes to us. Some of us may be in Saud. Sure. The Saudi state pays a huge stipend to its citizens. Some of us may be in Norway. That national investment fund is amazing. Why do you think Norway is now almost completely cut over to private EV drivers?
I'd love to ideate the hateful oil companies as the victors here but the thing is, they don't simply act like Smaug and sit on a pile of gold coins. Thats not held to be useful by them and their peers. They do shave off FAR TOO MUCH to swan about in those aforementioned sharp suits, but enough of the fat trickles into my hands, to keep me in the manner to which I am accustomed, as a retiree.
I'm as complicit, and so are "you" for many people reading this.
thelastgallon · · focus · HN ↗
US has $40T federal debt (+state, +municipal, +household) and probably 100T+ debt worldwide which the future generations have to pay.
Fossil fuel is unsustainable without substantial subsidies from Govts. Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Reached $7 Trillion in 2022, an All-Time High: <a href="https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022" rel="nofollow">https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022
More than a century of subsidies and yet not profitable on its own.
roenxi · · focus · HN ↗
Future US citizens are clearly not going to repay the debt, simply because they can't feasibly pay that much back in real terms. They cannot achieve the impossible. The magnitude of the debt is far beyond what it makes sense for the US to make good on.
Future generations of the US won't be able to borrow on such favourable terms (ie, people will stop donating to the US cause) and all the capital investment that would have happened in the US to power their consumption happened in China instead - but the effects of the debt won't look like repaying anything.
cavemandaveman · · focus · HN ↗