The difference between Washing and Upcycling is enormous. That does fit my observations, it's nice to see it quantified.
Another aspect that is nice to see quantified is how big the effect of better quality modules is. You likely underestimate that initially since it's not linear.
The Space Casino mentioned in the post is not possible anymore in Factorio 2.1. Which is experimental at the moment, but I'd assume will be released soon. And experimental Factorio tends to be as stable or more as the stable versions of other games.
Some folks say: "if you don't like it, don't use it?" same holds for LDS where you can also argue that throwing a piece of legendary plastic in lava shouldn't produce legendary steel and copper.
Well, I guess we'll have a small mod that reenables it for those interested; and the standard game can be the guide on gameplay balance.
The standard response to "if you don't like it, don't use it" should be "yes, but also why aren't you playing the map editor?"
Because I wouldn't enjoy that experience, so I dont do it. In other words... I don't like it, so I don't use it. This isn't the gotcha you seem to think it is.
The devs have to balance/shape the base game around what they want the average player that is aiming to acquire legendary items to experience. In this case they felt like this player was missing out on potentially interesting build puzzles. By removing this obvious global minimum in the build space, a rich field local minima builds appears in its place which makes the legendary puzzle a harder and more varied challenge.
You can still get your preferred play style with a mod: <a href="https://mods.factorio.com/mod/bring-back-space-casino" rel="nofollow">https://mods.factorio.com/mod/bring-back-space-casino
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Another aspect that is nice to see quantified is how big the effect of better quality modules is. You likely underestimate that initially since it's not linear.
The Space Casino mentioned in the post is not possible anymore in Factorio 2.1. Which is experimental at the moment, but I'd assume will be released soon. And experimental Factorio tends to be as stable or more as the stable versions of other games.
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Well, I guess we'll have a small mod that reenables it for those interested; and the standard game can be the guide on gameplay balance.
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You can still get your preferred play style with a mod: <a href="https://mods.factorio.com/mod/bring-back-space-casino" rel="nofollow">https://mods.factorio.com/mod/bring-back-space-casino