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Jeff – Jev-compatible 0.8B decision models, trained at home, ~30 ms

575 points · 225 comments · firelex

  1. adrithmetiqa · · focus · HN ↗
    Forgive my lack of understanding but how long before Jev type functionality is just built straight into all frontier models?
    1. tbeseda · · focus · HN ↗
      If I had to guess, it's already built and is just waiting on Product's/Marketing's desk. How do you position this without looking like your roadmap is being determined by newcomers? Probably don't want to adopt the same verbiage+acronyms - but also can't be seen to be just sherlocking features.
      1. seizethecheese · · focus · HN ↗
        I think Apple has demonstrated that shipping second has essentially no negative impact if your product is seen as higher quality.
        1. bigyabai · · focus · HN ↗
          I think Nvidia has demonstrated that shipping first is a multi-trillion dollar opportunity if you don't shy away from a challenge.
          1. throwaway27448 · · focus · HN ↗
            Chip manufacturing intrinsically comes with one hell of a moat. There's not much parallel in software.
            1. slashdev · · focus · HN ↗
              That’s kind of funny because Nvidia’s biggest moat is arguably CUDA, the software ecosystem around their chips
              1. angry_octet · · focus · HN ↗
                Historically there was a big patent moat in (Graphics) GPU design. This continues with CUDA, but obviously Intel and AMD could find ways to support eg PyTorch. What we don't know is how much effort that cost them, or why they decided they couldn't make a CUDA API compatible competitor.
                1. trollbridge · · focus · HN ↗
                  Intel could have beat the pants off Nvidia a long time ago with Arc if they’d bothered to ship usable drivers. But they refuse to, and simply can’t figure it out, so Arc cards remain cheap because they’re so #%£€ing hard to get working well, and everyone is nervous they’ll lay off the driver team again.
                  1. api · · focus · HN ↗
                    AMD has always had software problems too. Hardware companies often devalue software and suck at it.

                    If you can make them work Arc cards are a massive bargain. On raw compute the silicon is not bad.

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