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1. alexandre_m · 1790644533 · focus · HN ↗

   > while young people are drinking less alcohol due to health and financial concerns

   My observation is that gen-z spends less time socializing in real life, and drinking remains a social habit for the most part at a younger age. While they drink less, cannabis, vaping and psychedelics are on the rise.

   It's a nice claim to say they are more responsible, but it tells an incomplete story.

   1. BLKNSLVR · 1790659516 · focus · HN ↗

      My observation is that the young people who do drink aren't going for beers and wines, which are tastes that can take time to acquire, they're going for sweet liquors and premix cans of fizz.

      Getting Gen-z to even get close enough to the glass to smell a nice red is a challenge. And when they do, they seem to recoil rapidly.

      Anecdata only.

      1. willtemperley · 1790660970 · focus · HN ↗

         I'm not surprised.

         There's untold levels of chemicals in wine. Organic wine is BS in Europe, organic vineyards actually use more chemicals like giant quantities of copper sulphate. The US is actually a lot better than Europe in this regard.

         Source: My father owned a vineyard in France before he keeled over with a subarachnoid haematoma after drinking 3 glasses of Rose at lunchtime.

         1. bawolff · 1790671866 · focus · HN ↗

            > There's untold levels of chemicals in wine

            Most notably the chemical alcohol is known to cause all sorts of health problems and is present in wine.

            If you are going to talk about "chemicals", you should be more specific. Most chemicals are harmless, some aren't.

            1. willtemperley · 1790674474 · focus · HN ↗

               You are correct of course.

               You could also have just glanced at the rest of the thread where I've given far more specific evidence.

               I'm rather glad I've drawn people's attention to the issue, despite having to endure extremely patronising comments like yours.

               Second, I clearly have skin-in-the-game here because you did read the first comment, so everyone that thinks it's OK to make jokes like the dihydrongen monoxide one (well done that was clever in 2015) can go forth and multiply.

               1. bawolff · 1790692155 · focus · HN ↗

                  > You could also have just glanced at the rest of the thread where I've given far more specific evidence.

                  You have not. Maybe you think you have, but just linking to the name of a chemical is not a cogent argument that that chemical in the quantities present in wine, are harmful in any way, and certainly not an argument for it being more harmful than the primary ingredient.

                  > having to endure extremely patronising comments

                  Apparently not patronising enough...

                  > so everyone that thinks it's OK to make jokes like the dihydrongen monoxide one

                  You really believe that alcohol is equivalent to water in its toxicity?

                  Look, i'm sorry for your loss. However you are basically spreading pseudo-science here. Doing so has potential to harm a lot of other people too.

                  1. willtemperley · 1790745358 · focus · HN ↗

                     > You really believe that alcohol is equivalent to water in its toxicity?

                     No! At what point did I imply that? Can you please stop trolling.

                     Again, go back and read the links that were posted by both myself and some others. Or do some research yourself.

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