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California farmers are struggling to sell grapes as demand for wine drops

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  1. alexandre_m · · focus · HN ↗
    > while young people are drinking less alcohol due to health and financial concerns

    My observation is that gen-z spends less time socializing in real life, and drinking remains a social habit for the most part at a younger age. While they drink less, cannabis, vaping and psychedelics are on the rise.

    It's a nice claim to say they are more responsible, but it tells an incomplete story.

    1. 1-6 · · focus · HN ↗
      I may be old-fashioned but the substitute mind-altering drugs you're mentioning does not sound like a more responsible pathway.
      1. asa123 · · focus · HN ↗
        it's really not

        looking from the tail end of the generation, many of my friends ( and also I ) were led to believe somehow that things like marijuana, psychedelics, non-Alcohol have such low consequences that are entirely a rounding error compared to alcohol. which is ...

        1. superkuh · · focus · HN ↗
          Indeed. Alcohol is so much more dangerous and damaging to peoples lives and the lives of those around them that it doesn't even compare. Alcohol would never be legal if discovered today. Compared to alcohol the risks of cannabis are a rounding error.

          But that's only because alcohol is so incredibly dangerous. There is real risk with inhaling particulates and burning gases into your lungs. And it should not be ignored. It's just that compared to the lives ended by alcohol it is a rounding error and that makes it seem safe. Neither are.

          1. laurencerowe · · focus · HN ↗
            Smoking kills several times more people per year than alcohol use. The CDC attributes 480k to smoking vs 178k from alcohol. People smoking cannibis likely smoke less than those smoking tobacco but it’s not safe. Maybe try edibles instead?

            <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.cdc.gov&#x2F;www_cdc_gov&#x2F;tobacco&#x2F;data_statistics&#x2F;fact_sheets&#x2F;health_effects&#x2F;tobacco_related_mortality&#x2F;index.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.cdc.gov&#x2F;www_cdc_gov&#x2F;tobacco&#x2F;data_statistics&#x2F;...

            <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;alcohol&#x2F;facts-stats&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;alcohol&#x2F;facts-stats&#x2F;index.html

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