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1. driverdan · 1790629641 · focus · HN ↗

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   1. legitster · 1790631111 · focus · HN ↗

      Even if that slippery slope logic were true, the vast vast vast majority of farmers in the country are some flavor of conservative. It would be hard to ignore all of them and also care about our food supply.

      1. twright · 1790632471 · focus · HN ↗

         I think OP was more pointing out a supreme irony with the farmer demographic. They rely heavily on seasonal immigrant labor yet they voted for immigrants to be rounded up and forbidden to enter the US. Their sales rely on exports (e.g. soybeans) and imports (tractor parts, fertilizer) yet they voted for a complete upending of the global trade system that benefitted them. So that they are complaining about the current economic climate while simultaneously politically being fully behind it is schadenfreude for many.

         1. legitster · 1790634109 · focus · HN ↗

            This is an unhelpful generalization.

            Both political parties are made up of constituent cohorts. All Republicans are not anti-immigrant, anti-trade junkies in the same way all Democrats are not anti-work socialists. I think you'll find farmers in particular are generally much more pro-trade and pro-immigrant than the rest of the party.

            The story is these farmers voted for Trump despite him tilting against their best interest. But the reality is they probably put up with his views on immigration and trade hoping they would be more than offset by his views on land use and tax policy (and have been sorely mistaken).

            I know that people really want to make schadenfreude out of this But when the shoe is on the other foot and Republicans make these same kind of ad hominem attacks they equally fall flat. No, just because someone voted for Joe Biden doesn't make them a police-hating communist.

            1. wat10000 · 1790646491 · focus · HN ↗

               I could buy it if we heard about reluctant Trump voters who don’t really like him and disagree with a bunch of his actions but reluctantly voted for him because they thought he was better than the alternative. This seems to be extremely rare, though. Maybe those voters just don’t get air time.

               1. what · 1790653167 · focus · HN ↗

                  > because they thought he was better than the alternative

                  There has to be a large number of these? Or how do you explain voting him out and then back in?

                  1. wat10000 · 1790654071 · focus · HN ↗

                     His 2020 loss was all about turnout among the opposition. He got more votes than in 2016.

                     1. what · 1790737205 · focus · HN ↗

                        Okay. So all that opposition turnout disappeared in 2024? Where did they go? Were they so disappointed with the alternative that they just decided to just stay home?

                        1. wat10000 · 1790773336 · focus · HN ↗

                           Beats me. Maybe people just have very short memories.

                           What does this have to do with the existence of reluctant Trump voters who disapprove of some of what he does?

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