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1. alexandre_m · 1790644533 · focus · HN ↗

   > while young people are drinking less alcohol due to health and financial concerns

   My observation is that gen-z spends less time socializing in real life, and drinking remains a social habit for the most part at a younger age. While they drink less, cannabis, vaping and psychedelics are on the rise.

   It's a nice claim to say they are more responsible, but it tells an incomplete story.

   1. 1-6 · 1790645754 · focus · HN ↗

      I may be old-fashioned but the substitute mind-altering drugs you're mentioning does not sound like a more responsible pathway.

      1. asa123 · 1790646980 · focus · HN ↗

         it's really not

         looking from the tail end of the generation, many of my friends ( and also I ) were led to believe somehow that things like marijuana, psychedelics, non-Alcohol have such low consequences that are entirely a rounding error compared to alcohol. which is ...

         1. superkuh · 1790647395 · focus · HN ↗

            Indeed. Alcohol is so much more dangerous and damaging to peoples lives and the lives of those around them that it doesn't even compare. Alcohol would never be legal if discovered today. Compared to alcohol the risks of cannabis are a rounding error.

            But that's only because alcohol is so incredibly dangerous. There is real risk with inhaling particulates and burning gases into your lungs. And it should not be ignored. It's just that compared to the lives ended by alcohol it is a rounding error and that makes it seem safe. Neither are.

            1. djtango · 1790648307 · focus · HN ↗

               Alcohol is deeply deeply ingrained in society. (Almost) universally. It has been for thousands of years. I just don't think you can extricate history and culture from how we set policy and views on alcohol.

               While it may be rational to try to lump it with other newer dangerous substances, removing alcohol from humanity would be full on cultural erasure for many places. Not to mention to total destruction of entire industries that people's livelihoods depend on.

               I guess a way to think of it is - if it was part of culture for 1000s of years it'll probably take at least 100s of years to phase out.

               1. landdate · 1790651248 · focus · HN ↗

                  Alcohol is engrained because it was safe to drink because of the process of fermentation. However, it had much lower alcohol content and certaknly the hard liquors we know now were almost never at all drunk.

                  Your comparing 1-2% alcohol consumed because the regular drinking water was not accessible and unsafe to 7%+ alcohol consumed for recreation. Disengenuous.

                  1. hdgvhicv · 1790652556 · focus · HN ↗

                     People have been drinking wine for 8000 years. Grapes ferment in the 10% abv range.

                     <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pnas.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;full&#x2F;10.1073&#x2F;pnas.1714728114" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pnas.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;full&#x2F;10.1073&#x2F;pnas.1714728114

                     Some Roman wines were drunk undiluted in the 14% range

                     <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;penelope.uchicago.edu&#x2F;encyclopaedia_romana&#x2F;wine&#x2F;vintage.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;penelope.uchicago.edu&#x2F;encyclopaedia_romana&#x2F;wine&#x2F;vint...

                     1. landdate · 1790814824 · focus · HN ↗

                        By the wealthy. The average citizen or non citizen (who made up majority or close to at various points) was not drinking 14%. Its laughable you would believe fhat just because rhey found it. They also found some gold face masks, i guess they must have all been wearing gold masks then.

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