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It's Time to Investigate the AI Labs

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  1. jimmyjazz14 · · focus · HN ↗
    > We must move past vague discussions of “AI” and instead isolate the specific types of systems that are creating problems.

    This is absolutely correct and its surprising how rarely you see commenters in the media push to go into the specifics on this. AI is just matrix math and its what you connect that math to that matters, we should talk a little more about what we are willing to connect AI to and little less about how scary or capable the models appear.

    1. hollerith · · focus · HN ↗
      >AI is just matrix math

      Digital child porn is just ones and zeros. Surely we're not going to pass a law to regulate ones and zeros?

      1. bunderbunder · · focus · HN ↗
        You just quoted the first 33% of words in an independent clause, then restated the point being made in the remaining 67% as if it were somehow a rebuttal.

        Why?

        1. hollerith · · focus · HN ↗
          >restated the point being made in the remaining 67%

          That's not an accurate description of my intent—or how my comment landed with most readers AFAICT.

          1. bunderbunder · · focus · HN ↗
            The original statement pointed out that it’s just matrix math as a way of indicating that the technology itself is ethically neutral, and then went on to say that what we really need to pay attention to is how it’s being used. The “connect to” choice of words is clumsy and I don’t love it, but it does at least get at the point that AI doesn’t inherently become responsible or irresponsible until you hook it up and actually start doing things with it.

            Which, if it’s not exactly the same point, I’m pretty sure it at least cuts quite close to the point of your rhetorical question, right? That the problem isn’t with the ones and zeros, it’s with what certain people are doing with the ones and zeros?

            1. hollerith · · focus · HN ↗
              I think the problem is the ones and zeros or the linear algebra if you want to use that metaphor. I believe "progress" in AI needs to be stopped. AI researchers need to find something else to do with their lives.

              My first comment was an attempt to show the "it's just linear algebra" argument in an absurd light.

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