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Sonnet 5.5

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  1. Sol- · · focus · HN ↗
    Probably a first world problem, but with Opus 5.5's efficiency, the limits on the 5x plan are simply sufficient for my everyday work, even when running 2-3 sessions at a time. So I wonder when I would use Sonnet 5.5.

    More concurrency than that isn't really practical for me if I want to retain some semblance of understanding. Perhaps it's different for purely web app or frontend tasks, where the outcome is more relevant than the process, I don't have much experience there (and also don't want to belittle these domains, I might be underestimating their complexity).

    So surprisingly, my own work is at least for the time being almost saturated by the model capabilities. I am not sure how I'd scale from here. Sure I could run all requests at max effort to burn tokens for the sake of it, but that can't be it. And for many tasks, I am not really able to define so clear cut success criteria or self-verification loops that I could benefit from letting an agent (or a fleet thereof) autonomously run for a day.

    So I realize it's a skill issue on my side, but I can't be the only one. I wonder if there is a limit to token demand, at least short term. Feels like either they accelerate to AGI and RSI, where the AI can find uses for token, or things might plateau at some point.

    Note I don't think this because I'm an AGI skeptic or think there's a ceiling to intelligence, but there might simply be a valley of economic hardship for the companies where the supply of tokens outpaces the demand, due to a lack of ideas of what to do with them. And this might slow down the funding enough that they never reach escape velocity with the training run scaling. But we'll see.

    1. maherbeg · · focus · HN ↗
      There's lots more you can do! Use the model to monitor your deployments after they get deployed. Have them fix and watch CI issues for you. Run adverserial review. Automatically watch metrics every day and highlight performance regressions. Start reviewing your previous sessions to find ways to statically reject different failure modes and have the agent have more success earlier on etc.

      Another thing to think about is, what would it take for you to care less about the understanding. Better integration / e2e tests? Performance validation? visualizing program and data flows? Better refactoring of your modules?

      1. Hauthorn · · focus · HN ↗
        > Another thing to think about is, what would it take for you to care less about the understanding.

        Could you explain why it would be a goal to understand the system less, rather than more?

        It seems harder to know if you have good tests while lowering your expertise in the system.

        1. miki123211 · · focus · HN ↗
          Because humans are currently the bottleneck.

          An LLM can produce far more code than a human can understand. And the famous rule that "optimizations are entirely pointless unless you're optimizing at the constraint" is logistics 101.

          To accelerate software development, you either need to remove or lessen the need for code understanding, or make it much quicker for humans to gain that understanding. Making the LLM faster won't help you if the LLM isn't the bottleneck.

          1. gr_norm · · focus · HN ↗
            I want to make better software, not more software. Making software development faster isn't necessarily the goal. Making it better in the many, many ways that matter (of which speed is just one part) is.
            1. satvikpendem · · focus · HN ↗
              There is more software to be written than there were programmers so lots of people do indeed want more software, for example small tools and one off projects that aren't worthwhile to make pre LLM.
              1. jimbokun · · focus · HN ↗
                Many people want less software to deal with now, not more. Being forced to download and update apps on your phone that previously could be done without an app, for example.
                1. satvikpendem · · focus · HN ↗
                  Which people? They want the right kind of software, that which works for them, not garbage.
                  1. jimbokun · · focus · HN ↗
                    A lot of people would find it easier to pull out a few quarters and put it in the parking meter than download and update an app and give it your financial information. Or hand over a paper ticket to get into an event that’s easy to transfer instead of yet another app with a barcode.

                    Etc.

                    1. satvikpendem · · focus · HN ↗
                      Probably because most of that software is garbage then. While there are some people who may do that, most find the convenience of not carrying around loose change as a benefit.
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