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1. cmiles8 · 1790617857 · focus · HN ↗

   This seems like as a good an opportunity as any to break out the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

   They want “regulation” but we already have it. Hacking is illegal. Start locking up those responsible for this mess and I assure you they’ll “have a handle on it” quite quickly.

   1. john_strinlai · 1790619302 · focus · HN ↗

      cfaa heavily relies on intent for prosecution (hence why researchers arent typically locked up). it would be difficult to argue that openai intended to hack other companies.

      there's probably better/more likely to succeed avenues to pursue rather than the cfaa

      1. jsrozner · 1790620986 · focus · HN ↗

         Just like boeing's execs didn't intend for their planes to fall out of the sky? I guess they didn't get in trouble either.

         1. john_strinlai · 1790621094 · focus · HN ↗

            >Just like boeing's execs didn't intend for their planes to fall out of the sky?

            correct, i dont think any boeing exec wanted their planes to crash and then made specific choices with a clear goal of causing them to.

            instead, they made negligent choices that led to unintended outcomes.

            1. jsrozner · 1790628497 · focus · HN ↗

               Agreed. But in today's world in which outcomes are well-separated from behaviors (e.g. the exec cuts testing budget and the plane crashes), I think it's time that we start treating negligence as willful.

               This would have positive impacts on employees of META, Boeing, Purdue pharma and related, and the AI companies. By positive, I meant that the people whose choices are negatively affect society would actually be punished meaningfully so that they are dissuaded from taking such action. Personal liability needs to be increased as well, and to the best our ability we should ban the sale of director and officer liability insurance.

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