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1. saturn_vk · 1790616232 · focus · HN ↗

   It's sad that most world leaders do nothing to combat such genocide. There are so few sanctions against the state, or specific people, of Israel. Foreign forums are very much still open for business to them.

   1. bamboozled · 1790636445 · focus · HN ↗

      What do you think world leaders should've done differently?

      1. sdenton4 · 1790637619 · focus · HN ↗

         Cut off weapon gifts+sales to Israel, impose sanctions. Same way we dealt with the South African apartheid state.

         1. dboreham · 1790639434 · focus · HN ↗

            Israel has both nuclear weapons and the Epstein files, so that's not really an option (granted: SA had nuclear weapons too, but nobody really to drop them on).

            1. almogo · 1790642917 · focus · HN ↗

               Nuclear weapons sure, but what is this about Epstein?

               1. MC995 · 1790648297 · focus · HN ↗

                  Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell in particular) are widely believed to have operated as a massive Mossad blackmail operation, collecting (and creating) blackmail material against western politicians and influential individuals to ensure their support for Israel.

                  I won't go into details that support or refute this claim, but that is what the parent poster likely meant.

                  1. KoftaBob · 1790674803 · focus · HN ↗

                     and it seems pretty likely that's exactly what was happening.

                     The idea that a nation-state was/is running a child sex trafficking ring, and we're *not* turning over heaven and earth to investigate that so that country faces unprecedented consequences...I don't even know what to say

                     1. bamboozled · 1790675731 · focus · HN ↗

                        Why is it likely ? Why not Russia ? I’ve heard it’s Russia ?

                        1. someonebaggy · 1790680879 · focus · HN ↗

                           Because Epstein had ties to Israel and not to Russia. There might be a similar ring run by Russia as well, who knows.

                           1. bamboozled · 1790682467 · focus · HN ↗

                              Didn't he have ties to basically all powerful people? Is there something special about his Israel ties that are different to his Bill Gates ties?

                              I thought this was interesting, from Al Jazeera to boot:

                              Political Reactions: While critics and unverified intelligence memos pointed to the deep relationship as a sign of state ties, current Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu publicly dismissed the notion, stating on social media that Epstein's close ties to Barak (a political opponent of Netanyahu) actually "proves the opposite" of Epstein working for the Israeli state.

                              1. someonebaggy · 1790684703 · focus · HN ↗

                                 He has ties to all powerful people as his clients, but he has ties to Israel that look closer to them being his employer.

                                 1. bamboozled · 1790687167 · focus · HN ↗

                                    Without some pretty good evidence, it sounds like conjecture, which is fine, but nothing of substance is being presented here.

                                    1. someonebaggy · 1790690903 · focus · HN ↗

                                       Of course. A very valid way to view it, and the same way I would've viewed it in 2016 if you told me there was a global elite pedophile ring that helped get Trump elected.
                           2. cassepipe · 1790691135 · focus · HN ↗

                              Epstein definitely had ties to Russia. I don't know how to assess how important those were but they did exist

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