I don't understand why this is written in Typescript. This is a great example of how agents can write code (I'm sure they wrote `cf`), yet having fundamental computer science knowledge is still critical. Do not force your users to manage the dependencies of your cli. Do write your cli in a compiled language. Understand the reason for those decisions and tell your agents to use the correct architecture.
No it is exactly right mode for modern tech companies:
1) If it runs on my dime and my infrastructure I will optimize the hell out using most cleverly written Rust and what not and gloat about engineering prowess.
2) If it runs on users computers well then, we have carefully evaluated our strategic direction and come to conclusion that JS/TS/Electron option is the best way to go.
There's also a (maybe more minor but still interesting) explanation. On a server, you know quite precisely your load and you want to be able to causally trace bottlenecks, which is simpler with AOT compiled programs. On users' machines, they may not give you full telemetry and may use your system in quite variable ways. So V8 comes in quite nicely and optimises hot paths on workload it observes on each users system.
Is this sarcasm? We’re talking about a CLI. The fancy JIT system will collect data from one single operation and then promptly forget everything it learned and discard all those shiny optimized instruction sequences before the next operation.
For example are workloads for which Java performs very, very well. CLI tools that do one operation and return are not examples of these workloads. v8 is plausibly less bad because v8 is also optimized for short-running scripts, but that just means less outrageously slow, not that it will be remotely competitive with native code.
This is precisely why this blend of comments is insane.
All the CLI does is take command line arguments, put together requests based on them, send them to an API, get the responses, do mild transformation on the responses,and output it to stdout/stderr.
Pretty much any choice of tech stack will work well. This is not rocket science. It's pointless to talk about optimized solutions. It's a complete waste of time.
I don’t agree with that at all, there is a high startup cost to languages like Java and to a lesser extent, JS. Java won’t do anything at all for about 60ms last I measured. This is noticeable to users. JS does better which is why you still see some JS based CLIs. But languages like Go and Rust really are much better for this, they don’t require a huge VM installed on your system and start up instantly. I can also recommend Common Lisp as it has an insanely low startup latency. Ship a single file binary without dependencies please.
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geodel · · focus · HN ↗
1) If it runs on my dime and my infrastructure I will optimize the hell out using most cleverly written Rust and what not and gloat about engineering prowess.
2) If it runs on users computers well then, we have carefully evaluated our strategic direction and come to conclusion that JS/TS/Electron option is the best way to go.
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amluto · · focus · HN ↗
For example are workloads for which Java performs very, very well. CLI tools that do one operation and return are not examples of these workloads. v8 is plausibly less bad because v8 is also optimized for short-running scripts, but that just means less outrageously slow, not that it will be remotely competitive with native code.
locknitpicker · · focus · HN ↗
This is precisely why this blend of comments is insane.
All the CLI does is take command line arguments, put together requests based on them, send them to an API, get the responses, do mild transformation on the responses,and output it to stdout/stderr.
Pretty much any choice of tech stack will work well. This is not rocket science. It's pointless to talk about optimized solutions. It's a complete waste of time.
brabel · · focus · HN ↗