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1. captainbland · 1790608846 · focus · HN ↗

   I think it would be totally incoherent to say that copyrighted information is essentially fair game to include in your model but the outputs of your model are privileged against being included in other models.

   I'm not sure "competition" is necessarily the right word but I don't think that model creators and their political backers have a leg to stand on when complaining about distillation.

   1. DonsDiscountGas · 1790614177 · focus · HN ↗

      One is allegedly a copyright violation (fair use IMHO but still a grey area legally AIUI), one is a very explicitly a violation of the terms of service you agree to when signing up. And yes I do think that if somebody puts their website behind some barrier where a user has to actively affirm they won't download the contents and use it to train an LLM that should be protected by the same law for the same reason.

      1. sterlind · 1790617985 · focus · HN ↗

         many, many websites have terms of service that forbid scraping. how many of those ended up in the training set, I wonder?

         1. DonsDiscountGas · 1790701281 · focus · HN ↗

            How many of those made it an actual barrier requiring an explicit click and not just some CYA text buried in a footer somewhere? Anyway they're free to sue.

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