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1. t1234s · 1790606891 · focus · HN ↗

   Having been a student in the mid-late 90s in US public school I can say I witnessed this often. Public schools are storage facilities for delinquent kids with useless parents. These people are a waste of tax money to try and educate. After a certain amount of incidents they should be removed from the public school system and left with the parents to deal with. Instead the public school is forced to try and deal with these delinquents. They take time and resources away from the smarter youth who are trying to do the best they can in the public school system.

   1. Invictus0 · 1790607368 · focus · HN ↗

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      1. havblue · 1790609704 · focus · HN ↗

         "and then what" is the common retort to when people suggest removing the problem students, it's practically a cliche now. Then what is the students are held accountable now and won't be able to harm the education of their classmates and continue to harass their teachers. Then what is we don't have to pad grades as much and lie so that we can meet a fake metric. Then what is we stop doubling down on an approach that doesn't work.

         1. Invictus0 · 1790621499 · focus · HN ↗

            believe me, im not in support of the delinquents. but they dont just go away. they stay in society. they vote and consume resources. if you dont get them to a point of self-sufficiency, they will happily become leeches on the rest of society anyway.

            1. havblue · 1790685971 · focus · HN ↗

               At my public high school there were the usual assortment of troubled students: chronic absenteeism, disrupting class, drugs, theft, and in one case, attempted arson. One of them vandalized my bike, even though I never reported it.

               In each case in the years ahead I caught wind that things went right for them after they found that their options were limited. One showed up at our graduation but wasn't able to walk with us. One sheepishly asked if he could attend the reunion even though he didn't graduate with everyone else. Another enlisted. I think they all felt responsible in the end. Point being there was always a network of second chance options of varying levels of strictness. Just letting them move forward would have been unfair to my classmates and my teachers who were hired to teach and not mold rough teenagers into mature adults. Alternatives were always there but now we err on the side of making sure they move forward because it jeopardizes the district's funding.

         2. LastTrain · 1790623217 · focus · HN ↗

            Held accountable how? Prison?
         3. GetTheFacts · 1790652164 · focus · HN ↗

            >"and then what" is the common retort to when people suggest removing the problem students, it's practically a cliche now. Then what is the students are held accountable now and won't be able to harm the education of their classmates and continue to harass their teachers. Then what is we don't have to pad grades as much and lie so that we can meet a fake metric. Then what is we stop doubling down on an approach that doesn't work.

            And when do we actually make the determination that a particular student is a "problem" and remove them from the company of schools and other students? First grade? Fourth? Seventh?

            And once we do identify these incorrigibles at age six or ten or thirteen, what do we do with them?

            Some form of incarceration? Put them in a "labor pool" so they can pay for their accommodations and not burden the rest of us? Summary execution?

            Please do elucidate.

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