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Has Violence Against Teachers Become Accepted by Society?

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Ambolia · 1790606557 · focus · HN ↗
That the whole article can be seen as a masterpiece of talking around the obvious while avoiding stepping on the mine. Obvious rules cannot be applied systematically because certain government metrics would look bad. Goodhart's law, any explicit metric will be immediately optimized. And this is people optimizing metrics as best as they can in play. I'll leave the obvious as an exercise for the reader.
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law
1. dash2 · 1790607028 · focus · HN ↗
  Why not just say what you mean? This sort of nudge nudge wink wink stuff is so weird.
  1. Ambolia · 1790607418 · focus · HN ↗
    It's not rocket science, certain kids showing up as getting impacted by punitive measures looks bad on certain government measures. So they stop getting punished. Problem solved!
    phoghed · 1790607609 · focus · HN ↗
    Which ones?
    Ambolia · 1790608015 · focus · HN ↗
    Does it matter which kids is it? Just remove the metrics, apply the punitive measures fairly, and let the dice fall where they may. Or don't and allow the safety of teachers and the quality of public education to keep degrading. We live in a harsh world and sometimes sacrifices have to be made for a higher cause.
    phoghed · 1790609235 · focus · HN ↗
    > We live in a harsh world and sometimes sacrifices have to be made for a higher cause.
    Maybe that’s what the people sacrificing the teachers believe too?
    From other anecdotes in the comments it seems like it’s not just teachers but other customer service professions too. Your hypothesis that you don’t want to go into detail on might be incorrect. Guess we’ll never know
    badgersnake · 1790609709 · focus · HN ↗
    Punitive measures only work if you believe you have something to lose, a lot of these kids don't. Sure, you can þunish them for their infraction, and you'll have justice, but it's not going to stop them from doing it again unless they feel like the lost out on something. And if you have nothing in the first place why do you care?
    And a punishment is also just attention from an adult, and that often feels like a win over being completely ignored the rest of the time.
    robocat · 1790624697 · focus · HN ↗
    > þunish
    Today I learned that the Icelandic keyboard has a dedicated key for typing þ
    badgersnake · 1790631012 · focus · HN ↗
    The British one doesn’t, so I’ve no idea how I did that.
    robocat · 1790790530 · focus · HN ↗
    Conpiracy theory: someone wants to track you. It looks like a typo but switching one letter in an uncommon word can make the word a unique enough fingerprint to track an account. Of course I'm assuming you're typing on a computer that has been compromised.
    Alternatively you have fat fingers and use Linux (is there a correlation?) and you hit AltGr+T. From Wikipedia about British keyboard:
    Using the AltGr key on Linux produces many other characters and symbols, e.g. ¹²³€½{[]}@łe¶ŧ←↓→øþæßðđŋħjĸł«»¢“”nµΩŁE®Ŧ¥↑ıØÞÆ§ÐªŊĦJ&Ł<>©‘’Nº×÷· (If reconfigured as a compose key, an even larger repertoire is available)
    It appears your brain has been compromised and needs an antivirus scam.

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