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Parley: Federated, decentralised chat that speaks plain IRC

330 points · 190 comments · davidcollantes

  1. advisedwang · · focus · HN ↗
    > No channel modes and no channel operators, which is a decision rather than a gap: a global channel is owned by nobody, so there is nobody to be an operator of it. Blocking is per person and per instance instead

    That's completely unworkable. Lets say I create #some_minority, and people from many different servers join. Some shithead comes and starts screaming slurs at us. Now the admin for every server must block that person. Multiply that by every channel, and every admin is responsible for moderating the entire ecosystem. The only way they can do this is with shared blocklists, which have been a nightmare on mastodon.

    1. edflsafoiewq · · focus · HN ↗
      > which have been a nightmare on mastodon

      Why?

      1. conorcleary · · focus · HN ↗
        gestures broadly is going to be one of the common answers from anyone trying to ward off spam
      2. advisedwang · · focus · HN ↗
        I get the impression that every attempt to make block lists ends up getting used to target people an admin of the block list doesn't like. I think the root of it is that the admins consuming the blocklist don't want to have to spend time on moderation and are remote from communities where the blocklist is happening. Also the scope of the blocklist is the instance. Compare that to community internal moderation (e.g. channel mods), where someone close to the community is invested in the health of the community and the scope of the block is the relevant community.
        1. GoblinSlayer · · focus · HN ↗
          Won't users block people they don't like themselves?
          1. advisedwang · · focus · HN ↗
            That's also possible, and that's fine.

            But it's not good if a blocklist admin adds somebody who, say, said that admin's music taste was bad. Likely none of the people downstream of that blocklist will realize that happened or that their blocklist is being misused.

      3. someonebaggy · · focus · HN ↗
        If you tweet something controversial once and the wrong person sees it, they can automatically tag you as a nazi across half the fediverse
        1. stackghost · · focus · HN ↗
          It’s like this on bluesky too
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