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Parley: Federated, decentralised chat that speaks plain IRC

330 points · 190 comments · davidcollantes

Conlectus · 1790598456 · focus · HN ↗
There’s a specific downside to LLM-based development that people can get neck deep in a new project without interfacing with the existing work in the field.
In this case, this is basically a poorly specified implementation of half of XMPP. Of course, I half expect the LLM would have mentioned that at some point, but the repository does not.
1. dale_glass · 1790601737 · focus · HN ↗
  Unfortunately XMPP is an absolutely terrible protocol. IRC's not much good either, but at least it has the excuse of being ancient and limited in what it wanted to achieve.
  I don't know how it just happens that sending text messages to people can manage to result in specs that are painful to implement.
  1. monkeywork · 1790605151 · focus · HN ↗
    >Unfortunately XMPP is an absolutely terrible protocol
    Can you provide more details here? I've never seen an issue with the protocol at all, more issues with feature difference between servers depending on what they have decided to implement or not.
    dale_glass · 1790605548 · focus · HN ↗
    Other people provided some info:
    <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9772968">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9772968
    <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31133082">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31133082 (article and discussion)
    But TL;DR:
    * It's hard to even parse, XMPP uses an uninterrupted XML stream. * The contents are often baroque and complex * Standards are a mess, and stuff that should be in core isn't * Data loss is possible * Protocol wasn't made for mobile devices * Multiple devices are terribly supported * Data loss is possible
    From my attempts long ago, and other testimonials, writing an XMPP client is a full time job of solving weird problems that shouldn't exist in something better designed.
    fishgoesblub · 1790605671 · focus · HN ↗
    Regarding the part part: <a href="https://www.process-one.net/blog/stop-telling-us-xmpp-should-use-json/" rel="nofollow">https://www.process-one.net/blog/stop-telling-us-xmpp-should...
    [deleted] · 1790607134 · focus · HN ↗
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