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  1. Animats · · focus · HN ↗
    The solid state battery people continue to inch forward to 500Wh/Kg.[1] That's about 2x lithium-ion. There are now a small number of prototype cars on the road with solid state batteries. There's even a Dodge Charger, from Stellantis. But nobody has solved the production cost problem yet. CATL has a summary of their approach.[2]

    This is the real win, but it's hard to make it work in production. Eventually it will displace hybrids, but not before 2030.

    [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;electrek.co&#x2F;2026&#x2F;08&#x2F;20&#x2F;geely-500-wh-kg-solid-state-battery-2027-pilot&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;electrek.co&#x2F;2026&#x2F;08&#x2F;20&#x2F;geely-500-wh-kg-solid-state-b...

    [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.intelligentliving.co&#x2F;catl-500-whkg-solid-state-battery-2027&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.intelligentliving.co&#x2F;catl-500-whkg-solid-state-b...

    1. Animats · · focus · HN ↗
      China&#x27;s regulators have recently issued an official definition of &quot;solid state battery&quot;.[1] This applies to advertising, and, importantly, to investment fund-raising. Semi solid state batteries, with gels or some liquid, do not qualify. They will officially be called “hybrid solid-liquid battery.”

      The test is simple and tough. Heat a cut battery to 120C, and the weight must not decrease by more than 0.5%. Once the standard takes effect, only batteries passing that test can be called &quot;solid state&quot;. Nobody has this yet outside of lab samples.

      This will help avoid fake solid state battery claims such as the Donut Labs fiasco [2]

      [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.intelligentliving.co&#x2F;solid-state-battery-standard&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.intelligentliving.co&#x2F;solid-state-battery-standar...

      [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;home&#x2F;electric-vehicles&#x2F;donut-lab-solid-state-battery-claim-investigation&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;home&#x2F;electric-vehicles&#x2F;donut-lab-solid-...

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