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Nissan's third generation e-POWER powertrain

170 points · 462 comments · mroche

  1. gcanyon · · focus · HN ↗
    One thing that always puzzled me was how the gas engines in hybrids were so efficient. Technology Connections has a great video explainer: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KnUFH5GX_fI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=KnUFH5GX_fI

    tl;dw: constant RPM and a weird stroke geometry where the power stroke is longer than the other strokes to extract more energy from the expanding gasses.

    1. jostmey · · focus · HN ↗
      I&#x27;m surprised there isn&#x27;t more effort to create hybrids in reverse--an electric car with optional gas generator. The gas generator could run at constant speed, never changing RMP, while the battery handles constant changes in acceleration. The idea is not mine. I&#x27;ve heard about it in China
      1. meyum33 · · focus · HN ↗
        It seems to me you’re talking about a range extender, which lots of Chinese EV makers use. Many do buy them but sometimes you get the worst of both worlds: weighty like an EV and the heat, vibration, exhaust of a petro car. For most people the extended range is only needed very occasionally but you have to carry the ICE system the whole time.
        1. toast0 · · focus · HN ↗
          Depending on the compromises you&#x27;re willing to make, a small gas engine that doesn&#x27;t run very often isn&#x27;t a lot of excess weight, and it&#x27;s not going to make heat, vibration, and exhaust except when it&#x27;s running ... which could be 30 minutes a month (to keep it healthy) plus whenever you actually need the extended range.

          Since it&#x27;s just for range extension, you could maybe stuff the engine in the rear, so you don&#x27;t have to pipe exhaust under the whole car. Although then you probably want to pipe coolant to a radiator in the front and have to protect that piping... but at least it&#x27;s only coolant hot and not exhaust hot. The engine noise would be away from the driver at least.

          You said you didn&#x27;t want the heat of a gas car, but you might choose to run it a little bit more in the cold to help warm the interior on cold days (especially at startup).

          Potentially, but not really likely, you could try to make it modular-ish... attach it when you need it, leave it in your garage otherwise. But I think it&#x27;s going to be too heavy ... I have a 7200 W portable generator which is roughly half of what an EV uses at cruising speeds, and it takes two people to lift it. Automotive engineers do amazing things, but I don&#x27;t think they&#x27;re getting twice the power and less weight and easier to move...

          1. XorNot · · focus · HN ↗
            The problem is all of that is competing with &quot;just charge it&quot;. Over the lifetime of the vehicle now, whatever route you have that is underserved by chargers is likely to gain chargers soon.
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