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Musk, the Movie

193 points · 165 comments · yablak

  1. jfoster · · focus · HN ↗
    In the trailer, there's this line: "When Musk says that the future of humanity is to colonize Mars, he is selling us dreams. That's not happening."

    That irritates me a lot. Everything extremely difficult (or thought to be impossible) is a dream until someone (or some company) works hard on it and invests in it for a long time. Those that would criticize Musk & SpaceX for chipping away at this seem to be effectively saying "do not try."

    1. gregschlom · · focus · HN ↗
      Funny, for me it's the opposite: I get extremely irritated when Musk or someone else says the future of humanity is to colonize Mars. If you think you can turn a bare rock into a livable planet, please do something about Earth and global warming first.
      1. modeless · · focus · HN ↗
        He made an electric car the into the best selling car in the world, and is building the largest solar cell factory in the US. What more should he personally be doing about global warming?
        1. runtime_terror · · focus · HN ↗
          Those rockets generate zero CO2 right? Oh wait...
          1. modeless · · focus · HN ↗
            It's a rounding error next to the savings from the electric cars.
            1. Timon3 · · focus · HN ↗
              Didn't he immediately sell those CO2 savings to other companies, so they can pollute more?
              1. ben_w · · focus · HN ↗
                He did sell them, though how much this matters is more like "were CO2 permit trading prices set correctly?" rather than something to blame Musk for.

                For me personally, things like this make me question the value of the businesses rather than the environment. Like, I'm not sure if it's true this year, but in several recent years you could correctly say Musk personally made more money selling Tesla shares than Tesla made lifetime net profit, and likewise could correctly say that if all government subsidies and artificial markets were removed Tesla would not have made a profit at all.

                1. Timon3 · · focus · HN ↗
                  I didn't bring it up to blame Musk, but he shouldn't get credited for saving emissions after he sold the offsets.
                  1. ben_w · · focus · HN ↗
                    Mm.

                    Carbon trading is the "free market" solution to getting businesses to price-in what would otherwise be a free externality.

                    I won't praise Musk for it (at best praise goes to the governments setting up the rules), so we're probably on the same page, but it did feel like you were painting him as a villain for taking part in something that at least solves one of the common criticisms of carbon emitting industries.

                    1. Timon3 · · focus · HN ↗
                      Not exactly, the "free market" solution would be a carbon tax. The distinction matters here - had Musk not sold Teslas offsets, those other businesses would have paid a higher (and more accurate) price.

                      It may feel like that because it takes away Musks "at least he built the Autobahn" (even though the statement is of course also inaccurate for the original). But I consider it very dishonest to assign CO2 savings from electric cars to him, without also mentioning him profiting off of those emissions in other places.

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