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1. gambiting · 1790547426 · focus · HN ↗

   I mean, I feel like even if petrol wasn't as expensive as it is, the sales would be booming anyway, maybe a sliver slower - for the simple reason that affordable EVs are now here and they are pretty damn good now. After years and years of lamenting "where are the EVs for your average Joe Smith" - they are now here. Funnily enough, they aren't made by Volkswagen or Peugeot, but they are here anyway. And Europe's cheapest new car - Dacia Spring - is an EV.

   1. vjsrinivas · 1790547590 · focus · HN ↗

      Im on the verge of switching from PHEV to full EV. I just need a reasonably affordable EV with 450+ mile of range.

      1. blondie9x · 1790548911 · focus · HN ↗

         It's better for the body to keep driving sessions to 3-4 hours max before you get up walk around and charge a bit. 330 mile range is more than enough. If you only use 60% of the battery to maximize its lifespan you can drive for 3.5 hours roughly before you deplete a battery from 80% -> 20%.

         1. kube-system · 1790549638 · focus · HN ↗

            There are a number of plausible rural drives in north america which do not have fast chargers for over 400 miles. EV infrastructure in the US is primarily concentrated on high-volume highways.

            1. sanswork · 1790549832 · focus · HN ↗

               Can you actually name some? Last time I looked the highest I could find was like 100 miles.

               1. kube-system · 1790551547 · focus · HN ↗

                  Sioux City IA to Lusk WY -- 471 miles between chargers

                  Kalispell MT to Minot ND -- 688 miles between chargers

                  Anything in Alaska that isn't along the route from Anchorage to Fairbanks

                  Much of Ontario 11

                  All of Newfoundland

                  Of course, they're not high traffic routes, but these are places you can still easily find gasoline.

                  1. sippingabonedry · 1790551963 · focus · HN ↗

                     Not to mention all of those places are cold, which affects your range.
                  2. sanswork · 1790558939 · focus · HN ↗

                     Maybe go try chargefinder because I just put your first route in and there are several along the way.

                     Furthest I can see on 11 is 250km.

                     Newfoundland has a ton of chargers.

                     Did you even check before posting?

                     1. kube-system · 1790560446 · focus · HN ↗

                        The context in the above discussion was fast chargers

                        1. sanswork · 1790560647 · focus · HN ↗

                           Yes and that's what I'm looking at. What is your source?

                           1. kube-system · 1790562646 · focus · HN ↗

                              Chargefinder.

                              We're talking about people taking long rural trips -- stopping at a 50kw charger adds 50% of time to an 8 hour trip -- nobody driving a gasoline car would stop for that long. You'd need a 250kw charger to do what a person would normally do on a trip like that -- stop, piss, stretch your legs and get some fast food. Nobody who drives that route wants a 4 hour layover at the Speedee Mart gas station in Ainsworth, Nebraska -- if they can get the charger to work.

                              1. sanswork · 1790563245 · focus · HN ↗

                                 You're shifting goal posts now.

                                 But yeah those 10 people that regularly drive those routes should probably stick with their ice vehicles.

                                 1. kube-system · 1790564852 · focus · HN ↗

                                    Nah, at no point above did I mean "fast charger" as in "sit at a gas station for 4 hours at a 50kw charger"
                              2. dzhiurgis · 1790569301 · focus · HN ↗

                                 8 hours. That’s about 900km right?

                                 You’d need about 135 kwh total energy at 15kwh/100km efficiency. Assuming you leave with full battery - thats about 60kwh or a bit over an hour of charge at 50kw.

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