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  1. soerxpso · · focus · HN ↗
    I don't see why I would be interested in this model, considering the price difference. They advertise that it's the same as Kimi K3 in half the tokens. But the pricing is double the pricing of K3. So why do I care if it uses fewer tokens, if I'm paying double per token?
    1. bigmadshoe · · focus · HN ↗
      Because you care about how many tokens are used per task. What you said is like only caring about the price of gas and not gas mileage of your car.
      1. verdverm · · focus · HN ↗
        it's not exactly the same, the model stills "weighs" the same

        here, it does less work, it's more like driving half as far but still paying the same total cost

        this being said, K3 and E1 models are priced the same at $3.00 / $0.30 / $15.00

        <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fireworks.ai&#x2F;models&#x2F;fireworks&#x2F;kimi-k3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fireworks.ai&#x2F;models&#x2F;fireworks&#x2F;kimi-k3

        <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fireworks.ai&#x2F;models&#x2F;fireworks&#x2F;ember-1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fireworks.ai&#x2F;models&#x2F;fireworks&#x2F;ember-1

        1. ranguna · · focus · HN ↗
          Why are you saying it drives half as far when both models complete the same task but one uses half the tokens?

          Wouldn&#x27;t the op be more correct with their gas&#x2F;distance comparison?

          Because both cars get to the same end destination (complete the same task).

          Unless your end goal is to see the token numbers go up, but I&#x27;m not sure why that would be of interest.

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