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There are no "rogue" AI agents

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  1. binarymax · · focus · HN ↗
    Exactly this. At worst, OpenAI knew about these behaviors and should be prosecuted under CFAA. At best, OpenAI is negligent and should be prosecuted for negligence.

    Luckily there are states and legal departments pursuing such action. So while OpenAI can deflect as much as it wants, that doesn't mean there aren't people who know better and will still do what is necessary to set precedent.

    1. bilekas · · focus · HN ↗
      > OpenAI is negligent and should be prosecuted for negligence.

      I feel like this will just never happen on a federal level when these private AI companies account for so much of the economy. They've made themselves too big to fail. Fining / Punishing them in any meaningful way seems unlikely.

      1. weego · · focus · HN ↗
        While not when

        If the billions/trillions evaporate and the Fed has to work out with banks how to deal with it there will be a lot of pressure to be far less forgiving.

      2. lowbloodsugar · · focus · HN ↗
        Saw this quote yesterday:

        “To spell it out, the reason i hate democrats so much and criticize them more than i do republicans is because they take up all the space for opposition to republicans and use that space to give republicans whatever the fuck they want.”

        Republicans. Billionaires. Whatever.

        1. smokel · · focus · HN ↗
          That seems like a divide and conquer attack. The actual problem is that the electorate system leads to a two-party equilibrium.
          1. lowbloodsugar · · focus · HN ↗
            >The actual problem is that the electorate system leads to a two-party equilibrium.

            Which can then be used to divide and conquer by simply capturing both of those parties, as documented in Gilens and Page Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens [1].

            [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cambridge.org&#x2F;core&#x2F;journals&#x2F;perspectives-on-politics&#x2F;article&#x2F;testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens&#x2F;62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cambridge.org&#x2F;core&#x2F;journals&#x2F;perspectives-on-poli...

      3. coredev_ · · focus · HN ↗
        I don&#x27;t understand why the law isn&#x27;t the same for everyone? If I made an AI hack HF, I go to jail, no? How can the feds decide not to apply the law?
        1. revolvingthrow · · focus · HN ↗
          I hope this is a farcical comment
        2. arealaccount · · focus · HN ↗
          Its like how if you have a cop in your family you can get out of parking tickets
        3. unrented7977 · · focus · HN ↗
          Because the ones with power simply choose not to exercise it, and the systems that are supposed to prevent this were broken decades ago.

          There have been forces inside the USA trying to steadily dismantle democracy and constitutional safeguards for nearly a century.

      4. maximinus_thrax · · focus · HN ↗
        So does that mean that the rule of law is no longer a thing?
      5. [deleted] · · focus · HN ↗

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      6. onemoresoop · · focus · HN ↗
        Go after high positioned people who should bear responsibility and see how fast things change.

        The companies may be too big to fail but the people can always be held liable.

        1. pmlnr · · focus · HN ↗
          This.

          Jail the C levels. They are the legally responsible ones.

      7. citrin_ru · · focus · HN ↗
        If people who are responsible will be prosecuted the company unlikely fail (just because of this) and will continue to be a part of the economy. Hacking is good for their marketing but they should be able survive without such rogue marketing. But that&#x27;s unlikely to happen anyway.
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