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The Mars Delusion

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  1. ck2 · · focus · HN ↗
    it's not just "fraught with risk"

    it's physically impossible with current technology for humans to survive a trip to Mars and live on the surface

    space really, really wants to kill life

    cosmic rays will kill humans before they even make it to Mars

    there is no current technology that shields from cosmic rays

    we should appreciate the earth greatly for its atmosphere and magnetosphere that shields us from them

    best emulation idea so far is to surround astronauts with several feet of water

    but we don't have the lift capacity for that much water weight

    the total time on the moon outside the capsule per person maximum was 22 hours

    the astronauts kept seeing bursts of light even with their eyes closed

    when NASA inspected the helmets there were microscopic groove where some had made it all the way through

    cosmic rays are physical particles traveling near the speed of light

    the bursts of light were their nerves and other cells being destroyed by the cosmic rays

    it was happening to their brains and CNS too

    mice exposed to simulated cosmic rays became slow and stupid

    1. ElectronCharge · · focus · HN ↗
      Most of what you wrote is provably incorrect.

      Humans have survived in orbit, exposed to full-strength cosmic rays, for much longer than for the trip to Mars. Improved shielding will become practical as nuclear powered spacecraft come into their heyday, which will be sooner than you think. I believe that within ten years, nuclear transporters will be receiving Starships for docking, then making the trip to Mars substantially faster than using Hohmann type orbits.

      Once on Mars, life will be mostly underground due to the high background radiation. Most surface activity will be via teleoperated robots, though surface vehicles should have enough shielding to be safe. Short excursions in suits should be fine too, subject to a yearly radiation dose limit.

      Life underground can be as luxurious as effectively unlimited energy and resources can provide. Very large underground habitats can eventually be excavated, perhaps with the assistance of nuclear explosions. Large lava caves are also known to exist, and may provide sites for early settlements. Regardless, radiation exposure will absolutely NOT be an issue.

      Martian gravity, while fun, may pose physiological issues. It may be necessary to construct large centrifuges providing some higher effective gravity level for some portion of Martian's days. Perhaps sleeping in those conditions will be sufficient, more research is needed for sure. I do think a large orbital hotel with simulated gravity would be a great SpaceX project, both for space tourism and research. It's a shame NASA has dropped the ball on simulated gravity for decades...

      At any rate, the future is incredibly bright, and the spirit of human exploration will live on! I'm excited for the first Starship orbital flight in a few minutes!!!

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